SCOTUS stops the election interference....cold!

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  1. scratcho

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    "the fact that people like you and people that think like you and look down on others like you do"-----

    Who are these "others "to whom you refer? You know--the others I "look down upon"? You're a fuckin'joke,pal.
     
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  2. Bocci

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    I am a “fuckin joke”. But I know I’m one. I don’t pretend otherwise and I don’t pretend that my subjective experience provides me with the most accurate interpretation of reality. But my interpretation allows me to predict behavior and outcomes with some degree of accuracy. And my interpretation doesn’t lead to the absurdities that defy my senses like those the left tries to force upon us.
     
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    There are some absurdities on the left. I don't disagree with that. However, I have been around since 1939 and I know the difference between republicans and democrats politically. The left is and has always been better for working people, in creating safety nets for those that need them, backing workers rights to unionize to fight exploitation by employers, etc,etc. I'm sure you are old enough and have observed the difference between the left and the right, which unfailingly are totally owned by the rich / corporate class / entities. The ridiculous bullshit that occurs on the left AND the right are played up in the mind set that the old credo set out--that is "if it bleeds, it leads ". It is never more true than today. The news organizations love to stir shit up to the max.
     
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  5. Bocci

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    I agree with everything you just said except “always been better for working people”. I work with a lot of blue collars. They can’t stand the left. Yes, historically the left helped the working class and the right sought to exploit them. Now the left appears to represent anyone but the working class and especially not the white working class. Under trump, the right began to consider the needs/interests of the working class.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So lets unpack this.

    First of all why do you call yourself a "normie"/politically center/indifferent and then go on to claim the left has lied so many times and that the right doesn't lie as much? You do know that Trump alone has lied over 30,573 times over 4 years (and he's supported by the right not the left)? Or is that a lie fostered by "the left"?
    What things does the "left" make you repeat? Things that you know are not true?
    I'd like some examples please.

    You don't know that human sexual characteristics are determined in different ways?
    One way is by X and Y chromosomes.
    XY = male
    XX = female
    XXY = male with possible infertility, breast growth, low libido, etc..
    XO = female with possible infertility, no breast growth, low libido, etc.
    There are other combinations.

    in addition there are intersex conditions, such as:
    Congenital adrenal hyperplasia, leading to high testosterone levels in females resulting in masculinization.
    Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome, resulting in rudimentary uterus and fallopian tubes in males.
    Androgen insensitivity syndrome, which can prevent the development of male genitals, and secondary male sexual characteristics or a complete sex reversal and development of female characteristics.
    Swyer syndrome, Females with underdeveloped gonads leading to undeveloped breasts, uterus, and no eggs.
    And others.

    And we could look into
    psychological and behavioral differentiation.
    But I'll stop there.

    This is nonsense. Few on the Left, if any, want all guns banned.
    Many on the right embrace racism or support those who are racist.
    Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
    More nonsense. Please quote those on the left who want to sterilize children.
    You can't abort a child as they are already born.
    What???
    They sure do...and you're comfortable with that?
    I don't know what a uniparty is.
    So you're suggesting that because Trump lies, is a racist, has been convicted of rape in civil case, etc....that's why people love him?



     
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  7. MeAgain

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    Unions that endorse Biden....so far:

    Actors' Equity Association, representing 51,000.
    AFL–CIO, representing 12,500,000.
    Amalgamated Transit Union, representing 200,000.
    American Federation of Government Employees, representing 750,000.
    American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, representing 1,600,000.
    American Federation of Teachers, representing 10,000
    Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, representing 1,700,000
    Communications Workers of America, representing 700,000
    International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, representing 150,000
    International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers, representing 130,000
    International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers, representing 203,000
    International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, representing 775,000
    International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers, representing 80,000
    International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, representing 75,000
    International Union of Operating Engineers, representing 400,000
    Laborers' International Union of North America, representing 500,000
    National Air Traffic Controllers Association, representing 15,000
    National Association of Government Employees, representing 100,000
    National Education Association, representing 3,000,000
    National Nurses United, representing 225,000
    North America’s Building Trades Union,representing 3,000,000
    Office and Professional Employees International Union, representing 88,000
    Service Employees International Union, representing 2,000,000
    Transport Workers Union of America, representing 155,000
    UNITE HERE, representing 300,000
    United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry, representing 366,000
    United Auto Workers, representing 391,000
    United Farm Workers, representing 4,682
    United Steel Workers, representing 1,200,000

    That's 143,117,682 million working men and women...just in unions!
     
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  8. Bocci

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    Genetic/birth defects are not grounds for abandoning our classifications of male and female. You need not regurgitate your high school biology textbook on the issue either. More generally, the tails of the distribution, by definition, are not representative.

    Trump probably even lies in his sleep. We don’t care. You’re missing the entire point. The people who hate him also seem to hate us “normies”. So theyre pushing those who don’t share their extreme maladaptive beliefs/behaviors toward trump.

    As to trumps racism; where is that magic tape where he repeatedly says the nword? We were told it exists. Folks said, “ok, let’s play it for the world to hear.” Response: “No, we’re not ready yet. We’ll play it when the time is right.”
    Reminds me of Schiff’s constant refrain, “I have just seen incontrovertible proof that trump is an asset of/conspired with Russia.” Everybody: “ok, let’s see it.” Response: “No, we’re not ready yet. We’ll show it all when the time is right.”

    But, here’s the thing; yeah maybe the real hardcore racists really do like him. Don’t know. As I’ve said earlier, I’ve never met one in real life and I seriously doubt their existence and certainly don’t believe their supposed numbers. The sources are just not reliable. They’ve cried wolf too many times. The SPLC could find racists on the moon if they chose to look there. But the label has lost all meaning. All whites are now racist by default. It’s an original sin that can’t be washed off no matter how much self flagellation is performed but, nonetheless, self flagellation must still be performed.

    No. I refuse. If this is how it’s going to be, then give me my racist label and I’ll pin it on my chest. I’m done with such nonsense.

    “Can’t abort a child because it’s already been born.” If your taxonomy allows you to differentiate such that you can kill the unborn without remorse, then there is no common ground on which we can discuss this issue.

    “Few on the left want all guns banned.” What are you smoking? Wait. Nevermind. I think I know that one.
     
  9. Bocci

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    I have been working with union members for the last 20 years. Union leadership bears NO resemblance to union members. Blue collar union workers tend to be politically, and certainly socially, center to very right wing. Union leaders are political animals. If they came up through the union ranks at all, they spent very little time “on the tools” and likely had no real aptitude for it. Union leaders support the left so that government contracts will go to union companies and so that legislation will favor union objectives and companies. Union members want to raise a family in relative comfort and to otherwise have the government leave them the hell alone and to go hunting, fishing, four-wheeling, etc., in their free time. I’m talking about the center of the distribution of union members here, not the tails. So please don’t come back with a litany of rare exceptions from the tails.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    You may be speaking of gender, not sex.
    As there are biologically atypical sexes and as there are different gender identities, the old societal definitions of sex/gender are based on limited knowledge and cultural prejudices.
    I think I understand completely. You don't care if someone is a compulsive liar nor if his lies are meant to profit himself, conceal his crimes and misdeeds, and or verbally attack others.
    One definition of immorality is when:
    You have no problem with Trump's lies, yet you feel that is "normal".
    Further if someone points out the immorality of Trump's lies and actions, and by extension, the immorality of those who approve, or don't care if he lies, you think that is normal and those others; who point out immorality are the ones who are wrong.
    By pointing out immorality, moral people are proclaiming them selves morally superior, in your view, although all they are doing is pointing out the immorality of others..
    So you think the only way to be racist is to publicly use the "N" word?

    Schiff clarified his remarks on March 28, 2019.
    He pointed out that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president to Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort, to help Trump. And none of them reported it. In fact Don Jr. said he would ‘love’ the help of the Russians.
    He pointed out that Trump ally, Micheal Flynn, secretly met with a Russian ambassador to undermine US sanctions to aid Trump, and then lied about it to the FBI.
    He pointed out that Jared Kushner tried to set up a secret back channel to the Russians, to help Donald Trump.
    And there you have it. Trump and his pals either tried or entered into agreements to perform together (with the Russians) an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act, such as finding dirt on political opponents, setting up secret talks, and undermining U.S. government sanction.
    You don't care, and the majority of the Republicans don't care. that's why no action was taken, the Republicans, like you, don't care and any law, ethic, or moral is only a good as those who adhere to it.
    You doubt there are racists? Really?
    All whites are racist? Sounds like a racist remark to me.
    My taxonomy certainly recognizes the difference between a child and a fetus or zygote, or are you telling me there is no difference?
    What are you talking about when using the word "remorse".
    Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., Julian Castro, Pete Buttigieg, Beto O'Rourke - all gun owners to acquire a license. Nothing about taking all guns.
    Beto O'Rourke, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar - require background checks, nothing about all taking guns.
    Joe Biden? Universal background checks, red-flag laws, ban on assault weapons. Nothing about taking guns.
    Etc.

    Here's the only statement in the Democratic 2024 platform concerning guns:
    Limit the sale of surplus military weapons.

    What are you smoking?
     
  11. MeAgain

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    I have been a union member for 50 years, and I worked in union shops before that.
    I've walked the picket line.
    Don't lecture me on unions.

    So the workers just want to go hunting, fishing, four-wheeling, etc. in their free time? Like they had free time before unions?
    That's out of a possible168 hours per week. If we grant 8 hours of sleep, eating, and toiletries each day, that leaves 12 hours a week or about 1 and 3/4 hours a day for hunting, fishing, four-wheeling, shopping, working around the home, family time, hanging out at a bar, etc.

    Try reading the history of unions and then educate those union members that you work with and don't know what unions have done for this nation and their family life and livelihood.
    Start in 1794 in the U.S.

    Some historic gains by unions:
    1. Safety and wage arbitration without being fired.
    2. The ending of unlawful locking of exit doors and fire escapes.
    3. Abolition of child labor.
    4. Civil rights (the Pullman strike).
    5. The right to peaceful strikes.
    6. Prevailing minimum wages.
    7. Elimination of yellow-dog contracts.
    8. The 40-hour work week.
    9. Unemployment compensation.
    10. Worker's compensation.
    11. The grievance system.
    12. Eight-hour workday with overtime.
    13. The ending of age discrimination.
    14. OSHA.
    15. Pension plan standards.
    16. The Retraining Act.
    17. The Disabilities Act.
    18. Family and medical leave.
    19. and the Fair Pay Act.

    Before unions.

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    But I guess all that was just to benefit the union leaders so they could go hunting, fishing, four-wheeling, etc., in their free time.
     
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  12. Bocci

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    Gender is made up bullshit. Language has gender. Humans have mental deviances and maladies. Having witnessed the explosion of this, I have little doubt that it is due to a coordinated campaign to get as many people as possible to self-select out of the gene pool in as many ways as possible. And again, the people promoting this agenda seem to really hate trump. Therefore, normies are pushed toward him.

    Racism is a label that means whatever the supposedly offended party wants it to mean (unless they’re white) so they can demand special privileges and punishment of those who might say anything about it. It no longer means what we one we’re all taught and agreed that it meant. I will NEVER accept newspeak. Words mean exactly what they mean and not whatever some grievance group wants them to mean.

    Everything you just said about democrats and guns were weasel words and outright lies. There is too much history that the powers that be have not been able to rewrite (yet) for us to believe those lies. Universal background checks, licensing, and red flag laws are incrementalist tactics that are sold to us under the guise of controlling criminals and crazies but only ever have an effect on the rights and abilities of the law abiding and sane.

    Military “assault weapons” are not available to the public. Surplus, select-fire weapons are only sold to some police forces and the militaries of our client-states. “Assault weapon” is a made up term by those with no understanding of military and civilian small arms and is nothing more than a focus-group tested label proven to scare people, especially ignorant ones.

    Democrats have stated many times that the goal is total civilian disarmament. The fact that they may omit it from their official posted platform only demonstrates that they are aware that doing so would cause them to lose.
     
  13. princess peedge

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    Just say what you mean.

    We have very sensitive antennae.
     
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    I was clear and precise. “We have very sensitive antennae” is unclear. Please clarify.
     
  15. princess peedge

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    Transgender folks know when we're being attacked, regardless of soft language.
     
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    My choice of words was precise, not soft. As for the attack; if you are referring to “deviances and maladies” as an attack, then you may be taking offense where none is offered. That is also a common phenomenon these days. There was no attack against those with your condition contained in my words; merely precise description by one that is not willing to sacrifice truth, along with everything else, to moloch.
     
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    Complete straw man. You either did not understand what I said or chose to respond to something I didn’t.

    Unions DID wonders for labor. Union bosses now, from the BA level up to the national, bare little resemblance to their members. And aside from labor issues, though those are VERY significant, the rest of the left’s agenda is very much not in the best interests of “Joe sixpack”.
     
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    Doubling down while simultanesouly saying "no I didn't!"

    Bigotry 101
     
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    Then how about making an argument that your condition is normal, natural, and leads to a happy, healthy, (re)productive life? Show me that my perception, and description of it, is inaccurate.

    Or don’t. Just toss out labels that are meant to silence those who can’t see the emperor’s new clothes. I’ll warn you though; they've been way overplayed and have lost their effect.
     
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    I'm too happy and healthy to argue. Sorry, pal
     
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