Equal Rights For The Transgendered.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jimbee68, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. Jimbee68

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    People keep saying that women assigned male at birth will be allowed to compete in women's sports. Like I keep telling people, equal rights for transgendered people doesn't mean they can compete in sports. It just means they have equal rights in every other way.

    People who say that are using the same strategy Phyllis Schlafly used in the 70s and 80s to block the Equal Rights Amendment for women. She said that women would drafted and forced into the military. No they wouldn't. The Supreme Court has said that, while many groups deserve all the rights that everyone else has, some groups are a little different. A group that is in no way different and is entitled to all the same rights as anyone else without question is suspect classification, according to the court. But other groups, like women, are not a true suspect classification. They deserve equal rights, and maybe are a quasi-suspect classification. So for this reason women could never be forced to physically compete with other men in a place like the military. And the Supreme Court has been saying this since at least the 70s.

    And Phyllis Schlafly knew better than this. She had a bachelors' degree in law and was a member of Phi Beta Kappa at her college. She was just trying scare people by spreading ignorance. Today everyone is ignorant of the facts. The politicians, the media and the public. So it's hard to tell how that false rumor above about transgendered competing in sports got started. But little bit of advice. In the future, maybe you should check your facts before you start denying a group equal rights.
     
  2. Laker06

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    A question of clarification-- by saying "women assigned male at birth" do you mean a Male? Someone born with a penis?
     
  3. princess peedge

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    So not equal? Yeah, we know that.

    Also, I know a lot of people who don't know much about the topic like to chime in for debate--it's important to them, just not important enough for any research--but hormone replacement therapy renders this argument moot. After a year of feminizing hormones, there is no physiological difference between trans women and cis women.

    Most adult recreation sports leagues recognize this. They confir with doctors.

    The issue isn't whether or not trans women belong in sports; it's whether or not trans girls at the high school level have a biological advantage, because--contrary to the right's propaganda--it is pretty rare for a minor to be transitioning medically beyond puberty blockers.

    Ignorant fear mongers would have you believe four year olds are having gender reassignment surgery--against their will, of course.

    But here in reality, children aren't medically transitioning. Again, the only thing routine for trans youths are puberty blockers. This means a 15 year old trans girl is no more masculine than her cisgender counterpart.

    The right must've figured that out at some point. So now they've banned puberty blockers, essentially forcing trans kids into the horrors of puberty of a gender they do not identify as. They're forcing trans girls to endure male puberty and then telling them they can't play sports because of it.

    It serves nothing but to terrorize an already vulnerable demographic. Imagine forcing a child to do something, and then denying them what they want as punishment for what you forced upon them.

    Any word on those egg prices?
     
  4. Jimbee68

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    Male.
     
  5. goatrope

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    They are still human -- so they should have equal protection under the law.
    Judge Roy Bean - West of the Pecos
     
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  6. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    Fascists always require a scapegoat to vilify. Trump and his cult are doing to Trans folk what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
     
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  7. Joshualooking2

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    I am not a fan of a blanket ban why not let sports institutions figure out for themselves what’s diarist way to get the most people included
     
  8. princess peedge

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    Because it's about oppression. It's about making the lives of trans people as miserable as possible.
     
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    They were doing that and the legislatures stepped in. They wanted an easy target to rally against.
     
  10. Piney

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    Massachusetts’ second-largest city voted to become a sanctuary for transgender people — one of the first in the country to do so since President Trump took office in January and brought change to federal gender policy.

    In an overwhelming 9-2 vote Tuesday night, Worcester’s city council passed a resolution declaring the city’s new status, which also applies to people from the LGBTQ, non-binary and greater gender-queer community.
    The resolution was put forward by the Queer Residents of Worcester and Our Allies and called on the city to declare itself “a sanctuary city and a place of safety for transgender and gender diverse people” — and came in direct response to Trump’s new policies.

    “The trans, nonbinary, and LGBTQIA+ community in Worcester and nationally are being attacked by President Trump,” the resolution read.
     
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    Not surprising. Worcester is considered a big time lesbian hot spot. Like the "lesbian capital" of the US or something.
     
  12. princess peedge

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    Punching down to impress the ignorant has always been a tactic of the weak.
     
  13. goatrope

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    If a person looks at the "big picture" for the existence of trans-gender people, they would likley find that the hidden secrets of the universe are a lot more complicated that the average person thinks. Imagine if a trans-gender person was to discover the secret of the universe resulting in no more war, no famines, no disease.
     
  14. Jimbee68

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    I wasn't sure if I was going to include this. Andy Kaufman had a joke he did for a while. He'd wrestle women on Saturnday Night Live from 1979 to 1983. And he'd win every time, even thought they were big, muscular, physically fit women. Because even a muscular, physically fit woman is no match for even a physical weakling like Kaufman. Then Andy Kaufman finally wrestled a man in April 1982. And he wore neck brace for month after that because as soon as he stepped into the ring, the male wrestler had no problem winning. (It might have been just a joke it was later revealed.)

    But the point is, like with the Supreme Court ruling going back to the 70s, women just aren't the equals of men physically. They just aren't. But they do have more endurance and lower body strength. Whether or not this applies to women assigned male at birth I don't know. But that is question you ask a doctor.
     
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    After about a year on hormone replacement therapy, I struggled to do things like open jars and carry my groceries.

    Trans women DO NOT have strength comparable to that of a cis man. It's that line of thinking that justifies physical attacks against us, as well as denying us the right to do things like play sports.

    Again, this is all about making our lives as miserable as possible.
     
  16. Jimbee68

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    Just to repeat, I am not saying I think that women assigned male at birth shouldn't compete in women's sports. Because I am not a doctor, so I have no idea if they are stronger or not.

    Also like I said before, things like sexuality and your perceived gender are programmed into the brain in the uterus. They are not a choice, and they can not be changed, at least usually not easily.
     
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    I think in Trump/Musk America all but straight male straight female is moving towards de- gendering - So back in the closet and underground everyone who identifies otherwise. I identify as Non-Existant because I may be a tad bi according to my sexual history.
     
  18. Sportyrider

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    No, it's about protecting women's rights to participate fairly in sports and their right to privacy in areas in which nudity is unavoidable such as locker rooms.
     
  19. Joshualooking2

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    Where do you draw the line. Different sports organizations were working on that trying to let as many people compete and be fair to everyone. Big government passing a top down ban is wrong should have let organizations and communities figure it out for themselves.
     
  20. Sportyrider

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    Unfortunately, it's a national issue. UPenn thinks men competing against women is ok but UK doesn't. Who decides? UPenn's women's swim team had to accept Will Thomas in their locker room and were shamed for objecting to him undressing in their space. Title IX was supposed to protect women but let these women down due to woke policies.
     

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