I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Huh, we are? Why do we need to track every particle of energy when we can estimate what the majority is doing? If you were swimming in a big pool and you felt a tear drop leave your eye, would you freak out “Oh my god, where did that tear just go? I need to know where that tear is now!”.



You can't use the man made language of mathematics to track zillions of energy particles.

There is no mystery in what you speak. These are properties of matter, mass and momentum that can be and are routinely calculated by physicists.

It's not like that. Just because we can't track every single particle doesn't mean we can't track and manipulate substantial amounts. If the properties of energy particles could not be predicted we would never have been able to create such sensitive electronics as the CRT picture tube. TV sets are freaking marvels of particle prediction and manipulation. The CRT tube is essentially a proton accelerator.



Energy conforms to a set of rules, properties or laws. Not made by man or God but set by the very nature of energy itself. We have only begun to discover some of these properties.

 

well said.

 

I generally dont play much music anymore, I was
heavy into classical guitar for a few years but I
have recently found it to be pretty boring.
I still like to jam with friends, though I seem to
only care for playing bass lately.

But about the sound, the sound will be perceived
at first as buzzing, like the sound bug's make, but
it will still be perceived as external, even as you
get more in tune with it. Eventually it becomes
like oceans, and as the atom blossoms bloom in
the cosmic garden, this astral music becomes that
which you are, the oneness with God, and the
oneness with the rolling waves of reality.
I, however, am not even close to samadhi.

 

This is true only as long as it takes for one to
allow their ignorance to ruin their life.

Simply saying God is real and relying on God
as an excuse to look forward to an afterlife
is ignorance.
Getting in deep meditation, where you are at
complete war with your astral body battling
your mental ego, is extremely painful and the
most enlightening.
But, then again, it seems as if so many people
dont even meditate on this, they meditate
to get in touch with their ego, as if that was
even required :tongue:

 

Personally, I think this one should be in the "Pure Bull" forum, if you're not going to put it in the Christianity forum...

 

Correct, thought I don't believe it to be make-believe.

 

whatever you think you can prove, can you prove that it makes a dam bit of difference whether you can or not? how can you prove that your definician of proof proves anything?

i think there are things we can observe, things we can measure, conculusion we can draw as probable from what we can observe and measure. but that's about it as far as knowing is concerned. except it's a pretty safe bet, all of knowledge will always fall short of all that can and likely does exist.

proving a name we've imposed on what we don't know is proving what?

proving there may be a god. well that's nice.

i don't quite see what that has to do with either our nonphysical friends, or our everyday physical lives.

somehow i rather suspect other mental exercizes to be somewhat more rewarding, and i don't mean just physicly or materially.

=^^=
.../\...

 

SO who where did "god" come from?

It doesnt matter what explanation you can possiably concieve, there is no way to prove it. Then brings up the question, Well where did that come from? For the big bang to happen there would have had to of been something to make a bang, and if so where did that come from.

The one question that will never be answered is that of where it all started, and if thats where it started, then who started that and so on and so on!




Stop worry about the answers and focus on treating people right and living with the intention of doing good.

 

That's one definition. Polytheists never accepted it. I'll go along with the supernatural consciousness part, not the rest.

I certainly admit that mankind just doesn't know the answers (at least not all of them). No one has yet proven that creationism is "a lie".

I'm convinced that natural selection works, and Darwin was basically right. There remain the problems of explaining the origin of life and the universe. So far,science hasn't answered those questions, and the alternatives to intelligent design are entirely speculative (though plausible). I think Dawkins and Stenger do the best job in making a case for a non-divine origin for the universe. I gather the main arguments have to do with alternative universes (Dawkins), the idea that something can come from nothing (Stenger), and the idea that given the vastness and age of the universe, remarkable things can evolve from modest origins (Dawkins and Stenger). I find the first two explanations as fantastic as anything religion has to offer. The third explanation has promise, but is unproven. On the intelligent design side, we have the "finely tuned universe" argument advanced by in such works as Hugh Ross, The Creator and the Cosmos; Gonzales and Richards, The Privileged Planet; and Ward and Brownlee's Rare Earth, and Francis Collins,The Language of God. The authors, scientists all, present arguments that if the physical parameters of our planet were just slightly different, life as we know it could not exist. The comeback seems to be:life as we don't know it might exist. But it's all speculative.

We don't know squat about consciousness. Show us your sources. For mine, I give you atheist guru Sam Harris, who writes: "The idea that brains produce consciousness is little more than an article of faith among sciencists at present, and there are many reasons to believe that the methods of science will be insufficient to either prove or disprove it." (The End of Faith, p.208)

Pantheists might believe that. Theists don't.

You're talking about superstition here. It's a cheap shot to attack the idea of God by dredging up the superstitions of the more hysterical believers who see Jesus in toast and woodgrains and the Virgin Mary in their bathtub stains.

 

Have you ever considered that the whole entire universe in full isn't just another thought within the all-mighty consciousness??

 

even though i believe in God (i'm a proud christian), i DO believe it's not fair to push your beliefs onto people. especially on here, with so many different religions.
your post is interesting, yes, but it's wrong to say "omg here's the proof!" because we don't truly know, and we won't until we die.

 

I gave up on arguing whether God is or isn't real decades ago.
In a nutshell-
Depending on what culture you were raised in, "GOD" is Allah, Buddha, Jehovah, Jesus, or Scooby-Doo.

Basically, MAN decided his fellow man needed to be dominated by a "Higher Power" and that the "Higher Power" would punish him when he could not control his own behavior.
This has been handed down through generations. Even though we are an intelligent species, some people still can't think for themselves and figure what is "Right" and what is "Wrong".
The commandment "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
is found in ALL religions in one form or another. Isn't this rule good enough?????


Imagine-It's easy if you try!

 

I don't think this rule is good enough because people believe that they can benefit from the misery of others without suffering any consequences. Just saying you should be good because god exists and will punish you is too simplistic because people see no evidence that this is true.


It might be more useful to view that idea of God as symbolism to explain the nature of our relationship with the universe. We are not really self-contained individuals, because we are all dependent on our wider community and the wider world and whole universe for our continued existance. Like single cells in the human body, each human being is part of a bigger unified entity in which every event has some knock-on effect on the other parts.

This universal 'living' organism is, I believe, the truth behind the intuition of god. As everything in the universe is inter-connected, it is important to acknowledge the 'oneness' of the universal system and understand that we are inter-dependent with it. Arguing about whether god exists or not is pointless, because I don't think people understand what god is and what it represents. I think it is a metaphor, and only when understood as such, will it give us any direction on how to live morally.

If we understand that we are one (as the metaphor of god implies), then we also understand that if we hurt others, we are really hurting ourselves. If we don't understand that we are really one, then the rule about treating others as yourself is just a nice idea in an ideal world. Understanding of the existence of God (at least in how I have tried to explain it) gives people an incentive to actually do it.

 

very very Good point

 

Life is a process and until we learn the process it took to make us we won't know for sure how we are made.

 

That would be all well if there actually WAS a God working toward the betterment of mankind. God is this illusion of greater power and interconnection when in reality God exist only in the mind of the individual representing the subconscious desires of one self. The deeply religious are pure selfish, they only answer to the God in their head. It is a divider, it is a war mechanism, it is a hate mechanism.



Connect the dots!

 

It can be just the opposite, by preaching peace, love and understanding. Granting for the sake of argument that God is an illusion in the minds of individuals, if the illusion is of a loving, tolerant, benevolent deity who wants us to help the poor and love all people, religion could be a uniter, a peace mechanism and a love mechanism. There are religions and churches like that, although they tend to be drowned out by the other kind.

 

Wow.

 

Yeah, wow.

I believe you are talking about inspiration.

The uninspired may question whether or not inspiration itself exists, but the experience is as unmistakably real as anything one can know. Inspiration is the quality of one's life. It benefits the life of the mind in ways that are beyond the imagination.

I am positive that inspiration heals the world.

Peace and Love

 

LOL

Art does what religion offers to do. We love and forgive art. The best that can be made of religion is a bad joke.