plans for a super-ultra-mega- hallucinogenic trip

I have experiences with over a dozen different types of hallucinogens, across all three major 'categories' therein (psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants or 'true' hallucinogens) including a few hard-to-classify borderline \ overlapping a-typical quasi-delirants (namely salvinorins-containing extract of Salvia divinorum leaves, muscimol & ibotenic acid -containing Amanita pantherina \ muscara var. mult., and twice myristicin & elemecin -containing nutmeg powder--best 2-tblspoons fresh-ground baked in a 'magic muffin', can also be strirred in with almondmilk or the like ,once harma_alkaloids -containing tea from Banisteriopsis caapi as a prelude for ayahuasca with limited though some dream-like effects), mostly each on its own though occasionally in conjunction with another. I prefer simply to ingest( eat, perhaps drink, or parachute) the substance[s in question], though I do have experience with a few other routes of administration: inhaling (gas as in N2O, which I don't recommend without an O2 tank to ensure adequate continuous supply of oxygen to the brain; smoking as in burning plant material and sucking-in products of combustion; and vaporizing, the 'cleanest' of these three shy of super-heating air), a few insufflations (snorting), and a handful of enteral administrations (sublabially with MDMA, sublingually for NBOMes) with varying degrees of efficacy depending on the substance, stomach contents, et cetera; I have never injected (IV/IM/SC), plugged, or utilized any other method for consumption of psychoactives.

I have experience with two different deliriants: diphenhydramine HCl (around eight times), and dimehydrinate (approx. thrice); I have yet to experiment with the the flowers of a Solanaceae (deadly nightshade; e.g., datura, brugmansia, et al.) which contain tropane alkaloids (three in particular which are known for their anticholinergic properties: atropine, hyoscyamine, and hyoscine\scopolamine), although I intend to do so before long, probably as an admixture in ayahuasca (though I do want to experience them on their own merits, as well; their constuents, too, could go into a pharmahuasca..).

I have tested some upper safe limits of my body with the two afforementioned OtC drugs, having what may surprise you rather favorable results a majority of the time. (For the record, in my case: somewhere between, 2,000 and 3,000 milligrams in the absence of much sleep for diph.HCl in combo with caffeine & B vits, and <1200mg dimenhydrinate in conjunction with a gram of dextromethorphan HBr.)



Now that that you have a little background on me, let's proceed on to my $~6-10, 000 mission (for ~7-13+ other persons, as well..).
I want to engage, alongside two or three friends per tripvent (at least one of whom 'sitting' me\the others who are all ballz-tripping on the same things in the same amount at the same time), in an epic voyage/experiment, consisting of--at minimum--the following qualities:

1) 1+ deliriant<s>
2) 2+ psychedelics: 1+ tryptamine, 1+ phenethylamine
3) 1+ dissociative<s> (sub-'hole's dosing)
4) items 1 thru 4 should be peaking or at least coming-up or starting to take effect at the same time, ideally concurrently




However, that is just the minimum; an overview guide. More specifically, I would like ..
*sleep-deprivation, as deliriants but specifically diphenhydramine has been purported to increase REM . .search Zoe
*an MAOa-I x N,N,DMT
*>probably< a CNS stimulant such as caffeine and\or Adderall or cocaine to aid in staying awake: sleep deprivation, PLUS drowsiness imposed from a first-generation antihistamine..yeh.
*vitamin & health supplements prior to and perhaps during the trip: CoQ10, various Omega-3 (EPA/DHA/etc.) and Omega-6,8,9 fatty acids, vit.C to potentiate, et c.
*herbal supplements, such as Yohimbe, male health
*>>possibly<< a nootropic such as Piracetam to promote greater 'clear-headedness', but this may override some of the *desired* anticholinergic-mind effects of the diph?.. what if in combination with another deliriant such as scopolomine? I do would like to remember at least a majority of this trip, as well , ..
*depending on setting... ED drug such as Cialis or viagra; hormones, pheromones


I have done a lot of research, and am leaning toward certain chemicals, but would like your input--specifically on which phenethylamin?.. as well as 4- and 5- substituted tryptamines. I would like to experience in this trip synaesthesia, that is induced synesthesia; and strong, vivid, bright, abstract 3- and 4+th -Dimensional visuals, not just 2- .


Here is a tentative timeline I've typed on notepad (Probably won't do the nutmeg due in large part to extreme drymouth and few other side-effects the couple time I tried it, but if i were to that is approx. where should probably fit in the timeline):
-72h Woke-up and stay awake
waternly distilled, non-fluoride toothpaste, B&men's vits..
T-48h Begin <partial )fasting
T-24h Begin supplement regime[nt}
T-10h Consume (3tblsp.freshPoweder)nutmeg muffin
purge existing contents of stomache?, diurhettics, enema?
T-05h mescaline >__mgs worth of freebase
T-02h Amanita \muscimol et al. combos
T-01h __mg of [trans-]resveratrol (potent RIMA) lots! full inhibition ,
T-30m B.caapi[+Syrian_rue?] drink

T-0mins pharmahuasca consisting of harmalols, N,N,DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and/or bufotenin,
All mixed\dissolved into solution:
1,000mg diphenhydramine HCl (as gel ) ~700mg dimenhydrinate?
[2,000+?]mg DMT powder
30mg? Adderall -or- __mg _____.caffeine -or- __mg{ insuffl.?}coke
55mg? MXE http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/methoxetamine/methoxetamine_dose.shtml
__mg tenalow?
__mg Piracetam\another nootropic, or would this override anticholinergic mental effectz of diph\dram\scop\etc.?..
____ug LSD-25 800+mics pure mperhaps,sub-milliorno,..
___mg 2C-[E?} 25?50? http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ce/2ce_dose.shtml 25I,C, 2C-..T7,I,DiPt
25mg 4-HO-MET (a.k.a. meprocin methocin ehtocin iprocine) http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_ho_met/4_ho_met_effects.shtml looksaweseome,.,
psilocine=4-HO-DMT,..
130mg? DiPT
4-Aco-DMT any?, or overwhelming introverted exp.?{not nec. bad,., REM-induction)synaesthesia,.,plz!
Y+T+~25{ALT.OPTION:+1mins..comedownrightasotherdrugskicksetin?mphps)mins smoke __mg __x Salvia divinorum leaf extract \ ___ug salvinorin-A liquid Mixture iwht 5-Me- & perhaps N,N, DMTs1.
horomones HGH, libido, pheromones any to make horny?, .Cialis \ Viagra for E.D., KYwarminggel nahh..
plentyo' H2O!, distilled or true_spring `that is.
T+~50mins-1h __mg nootorpic? racetam ,

To order on SR:
pure N,N,DMT, pure 5-MeO-DMT, 4-HO-DMT, methoxetamine, LSD-25, prescriptdrugs Adderall<mhap>, nootropic substances, 2C-Xs galore
to purchase on (BBBotanicals,iamshaman,SalviaSupply,e.g.)
Amanita merch`andise, Aya\pharma-huasca products, Salvia stuff, muscimol(poss. ,grey market like alpha-thujone),
To buy at supermarket\local grocerystore/Walg:
diphenhydramineHCl &\or dimenhydrinate -containing product<s>
nutmeg (fresh +grater and\or pre-ground..)
muffin-baking supplies,mix, caffeine[-containing prods,], vitamin supplements, herbal supps, Co-Q10 & omegas, resveratrol( +in bulk!), aminoacids\protein powders good,hrmm.., distilled water plenty,
sub-milligram precise-accurate scale (pre-manufactured high-end, or build one?..), reliable vendoes (as in person, or on SR,) amt.oun per dos[ag]es, ..><{}


What do you think? Too many? I didn't include MDMA as I thought it would be too grounding, besides that some of its empathogenic (and more preferentially entactogenic) attributes can be found in many of the 2Cs(especially 'the honey' 2C-B,..)
.Will the effects of these compounds synergize well together in the human nervous system, subjectively speeking? won't chemically-react when combined into the diphHCL liquigel ,that quickly, would any of them ?

 

In case wondering about MXE...
I tentatively am choosing it over DXM for the fact that DXM metabolism potentiates that of diphenhydramine, and ketamine for well,.. want not to go into a hole (which can ensure via dose, M/K/D/P/etc.-holes,..), and not PCP or similar for they aren't shown effective orally, and what the effects and approx. duration to match that with the psychedelics and deliriant.

 

LSD a potent ergoline dose- and effects- wise, overlapping phenethyla\trypta-mine.

 

Regarding Salvia..

considering smoking it, in combination with 5-MeO-DMt, experiencing 'the void', shortly after imbibing 'main 'substances since within half hour later should be coming down but simultaneously coming-up on the heart of the trip.

Regarding 'tenalow': can't think of the name, but some pharmaceutical to lower\maintain heart\pulse rate, systolic and esp. diastolic blood pressure, as anticholinergics known to increase heart-rate and make it out of rack i.e. tachychardia, which obviously do not want... nor overbearing body-load, which sometimes can be an issue with diph. Not as much with dimhydrinate in my experience.. and not too sure about the plants. thoughts?

 

~2gs of DMT

got that figure doing research of various Ayahuasca recipes per person, using the upper dose-per-person ranges listed, and given the available data on DMT \ 5-Meo- / bufotenine- known concentrations ranges in leaves or rootbarkof the admixtures (e.g. chaliponga Diplopterys cabrerana, Acacai confusa, Mimosa hostilis et so-forth ..) and came to less than 1000mg figuring liberal; so, figure twice that should suffice, no?..

 

you still alive?

 

Why would not I be? :biker:

 

it sounds like a really bad idea and a waste of material.

 

what's a bad idea about it? or waste of material? Too manyitems?

A //del//*/psy/*//dis// trip could beon eof the most exotic intense,.

 

Say hello to the psychiatric ward from me

 

I will be very surprised if you won't get any HPPD or flashbacks from it...

 

You have more knowledge than intelligence.

 

why would you be surprised if I don' tget HPPD?
As I stated, I have delved into diphenhydramine several times, with no still-standin gmental problems. Does a toll on heart, but my cardiovascular is fine.

Someone have something constructive to add?..

 

Are you taking into consideration the somatic effects of the different substances and any possible interactions?
I just don't think that the combos you are proposing would not be that great physiologically speaking. Then with cross tolerance and overbearing effects of one substance over another, a waste of material.

I'm curious to hear what Mr. Writer would have to say considering this is his chosen area of scholarly studies.

GB needs to chime in as well because he certainly knows more about most of these different substances than I.

 

So people telling you it doesn't sound like a good idea isn't constructive?


If you are waiting for someone to come and post that it sounds like a great idea and all, you my be waiting a while.
Hip Forums members tend to promote responsible, sensible use, not wreckless potentially dangerous use.

The only one I can think of close to what you propose was CosmoKnot, but he is no longer among the living.

 

Yes, I am taking cross-tolerance and the like into consideration. Hence in part why I mentioned choosing MXE over DXM( on of my favorite dissiatives, DXM->DXO, is,), since dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine are metabolized by the same liver enzyme, CYP26 if memory serves correctly, and MXE is psychoactive active in several magnitudes smaller than DXM
As for cross-tolerance. This is in part why I want to keep the total number of substances low, so as to prevent them for 'competing' for the same pathways. Mix it up with psychedelics from more than one class, as well.

 

No, you're right, as far as constructivism goes... Gues what I meant to indicate was, something *positive* to say.
I'm not going about this in a wreckless, careless, boneheaded manner..
And what happened to this CosmoKnot? Passed away from overdose?

 

Well, if the consensus is that you ARE doing something reckless, pointless, stupid, and net even fun or a good use of the substances, actually, it DOES make it look like you are....

"Nobody agrees with me, must be some problem with everyone else" right?

 

I believe he had myriad health issues not related to any substance use, but he did often do outrageous heroic dose combinations such as you suggest.
Very cool and foolhardy pioneer.
Hell, browse through his posts, he may have already done what you are thinking of .
I do miss his rambling tomes and rants, though.

You do sound like you know the chemicals and are researching it all, but sometimes combinations can have unforeseen synergistic effects that the individual chemistry of each substance may not elude to.

Bottom line, people here are about exploring in a safe and responsible way, how you choose to do so is your choice, just please do it in a safe manner. :mickey:

 

I'm gonna have to agree with the consensus here. This is retarded. Do what you gotta do, but don't be surprised if you're dead when you wake up the next day.