I've tried salvia once before (I smoked it), but it barely did anything for me. However, I have heard that there are liquid tinctures that one can take (like LSD), and are said to be very effective. I have been attracted to salvia for a while, and was pretty bummed when I found my experience to be alot less mind-blowing than I had hoped. I was wondering if anyone has tried this and can give me some insight. Here's two sites that show/describe the tinctures: http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Mazatec_Salvia_Divinorum_Tincture.cfm?iProductID=3855 http://www.sagewisdom.org/salviashop.html
For the sake of the legality of the herb, you must be 18 to purchase, obtain, or use Salvia. Your profile lists you as less than this point. The tinctures are very effective, but the effects last longer, and therefore offer less of an escape if you decide you dont like whats going on. Likewise, if you are a salvia hardhead, i.e. "immune", the tincture will have as little effect as smoking it...
Cost effectiveness is a seperate issue. Some people dont want to inhale smoke, or are more comfortable with a different mode of ingestion. Tinctures do work, and do work well. I have the siebert tincture. 3.5 eyedroppers undiluted and you are both fucked. and up. For well over 5 minutes. There are 18 eyedropper-fuls. For 65.00/1/2 ounce. Thats 12.00 per strong dose which is about what siebert charges for enhanced leaf. The tinctures effect last longer, so its more cost effective. However, everything siebert does is several times more expensive than anyone else, particularly if you buy in bulk. So ultimately, leaf is better, where tincture is a novelty. If cost is the issue, rather than health. But tincture does work, and does work well. (burning sensation and bitter leaden taste aside.) The original poster was ultimately interested in whether they would get an effect with tincture if smoking produced little effect. And that answer is no.
You know, you can just chew salvia leaves and get the same effect you would get from a tincture. I'm not sure why anyone would ever drop their money a "novelty" that they could easily make themselves with base leaf and a high proof alcohol... Shit, I could buy half a kilo of dried salvia leaves for $65....
Leaves? I could buy a half a kilo of dried cow shit for $65.00... Some of us are working adults; convenience and novelty are driving forces when your mom isnt doing your laundry for you anymore...
Leaves? Yes leaves. You know, the things that these tinctures are made out of. Only catch is, tinctures can hold at most 44 mg/oz salvinorin A. Dried leaves however, hold on average 84 mg/oz salvinorin A. I fail to see how chewing a quid of leaves for 30 minutes is any inconvenient than holding a premade tincture in your mouth for 20 minutes. Only difference is that it tastes a little bitter, but that's easily remedied by soaking the leaves in water for 10 minutes beforehand. I also fail to see what point is to be made by your "cow shit" analogy... It's completely irrelevant. Basically, I'm saying pre-made tinctures are worthless for the following reasons: 1) Tinctures are fucking expensive. 2) Tinctures hold LESS salvinorin A than the leaves they were made from. This is because ANY extraction process will reduce your total yield of the compound you desire. 3) Tinctures can be VERY easily made from base leaf and some 190 proof Everclear. There really is nothing to be gained from buying a tincture. Ah well, not like it matters to me. I'm not wasting my money on it, but to each their own...
Your point is a rant against tincture, your opinion. My point is that the original question asked has long been answered. Hence your obsession with this subject is as irrelevant as my cowshit. Apparently, you know a lot about something that you clearly have neither purchased nor used. Unless youre comparing tinctures which YOUVE made with those commercially produced, but, of course why would you make your own tincture if the leaves you make it from hold more salvinorin A, and can be chewed with the same effect. Except as a novelty, of course. Some will prefer their own route in life, which may differ from yours (as upsetting as this is to you). And to some, money isnt a limiting factor on their own adventures and preferences...theyll try a little of everything and come to their own conclusions. Additionally, youll find that reading comprehension is as important as having a strong opinion on something, as Ive already pointed out that some people dont want to smoke, or muck around with a big mouthful of leaves, just as some may not have the time on their hands to serve up their own tincture. Oh, and in case youre not familiar with tinctures, while siebert sells at 65 dollars, most other places sell at less than 35 dollars. Whoops. Made that point already too, didnt I?
Uhh, the original post was simply asking for general information and insight regarding the salvia tinctures. You gave your insight, and I gave mine. In a nutshell, you said that they were worth it, and I said that they weren't. And yes, I have actually purchased and tried a commercially produced tincture, hence the reason I never want to do so again. It was just a waste of money as far as I'm concerned. I've found that chewing base leaf is the cheapest, healthiest, and overall best method of ingestion, at least for me. The arguments we were putting forth were simply the pros and cons of salvia tincture, not a "rant" as you put it. I don't care what the hell people do with their life, nor will it be "upsetting" to me, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth and make baseless conclusions regarding my character. It's a waste of your time, a waste of mine, and irrelevant to the topic. The bottom line is, I just like debating, hence the reason I participated in this thread in the first place Anyway, hopefully the original poster will be able to get some good info out of this discourse.
"Like to debate"? At two in the morning?? :ack: Yer a sick man... Can I go to bed now? please???... :toetap:
if the smoke does not work leaves and tinctures wont either keep trying the smoke and one day you may be surprised some use 10x or 20x extract from another vendor as some seem to be bogus suppliers. I have not run into bogus suppliers. generally for effects 25 to 50 times as much salvia has to be taken orally compared with smoking to get simmilar effects. for salvia smoking extracts is most direct.
Okay, I get what you guys are saying. However, to answer the first question, buy the time I will have made a decision (during the summer) I will be eighteen already. And also, it seemed to me that the tinctures were cheaper than some of the extracts. And what the tinctures say is that a strong trip can be attained with just 4 drops or so from a 10ml bottle, about 40 bucks). Would you say that this is a falsification aimed to make the product sound more effective than it actually is? So again, if I want a genuinely strong and mind-expanding trip, what would be the cheapest and easiest thing to do: chew leaves, keep on experimenting with smoking, or another alternative means? And smoking isn't an issue for me, as Ancient One suggested. I'm down for any means of ingestion (except maybe injection, as someone saod on this forum). Right now I looking for silmultaneous cost-effectiveness and potency. And no, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a hard-head yet, as I've only tried it once on what I'm pretty sure was low-potency leaves (the reason why I dont know the exact potency is that I bought it from a schoolmate who had bought it from a friend, as opposed to getting it from a smokeshop). From what everybody is saying, I should probably continue smoking leaves.
Chew or smoke leaves if you're looking for the cheapest method of ingestion. Making your own crude extracts isn't too tough either. And yeah... 4 drops?? Sounds like bullshit to me, unless of course they dissolved pure salvinorin A crystals into solution. But for $40, that sure as hell doesn't sound likely... Got a link to the tincture you're looking at??
When they say 4 drops, they probably mean 4 eyedroppers full. The tincture comes in a bottle with an eyedropper screw cap; the doses listed are in eyedropperfulls. With sieberts overpriced tincture, 3.5 eyedropper fulls had me really tripping 7 minutes after ingestion; you are instructed to hold the dose under your tongue for 15 minutes. You probably are looking for cost effectiveness, potency, AND ease of ingestion. Sitting around with stuff in your mouth for 15 minutes or more hardly qualifies as easy. Smoking certainly is the fastest and most intense and pretty straightforward. Main effects last 5 minutes. You probably are looking to have the full experience, then, if you choose to stick with it you likely will end up down silverwolf way looking more for the cost effectiveness angle. Smoking may well serve you the best all around to begin with. Youll find your own way based on your own preferences and experiences. Some like it thus, and some like it different. Go with it.
Well, let's see... The 10mL tincture is $40... I got my 1/2 Oz tincture (roughly 15.15mL) for $30, and it has 44 mg/oz Salvinorin A in it, the maximum amount that can be held in solution if grain alcohol is used. It's possible to hold more if the tincture is a mixture of alcohol and pure salvinorin A crystals in solution, but this process is too labor intensive to really be applied in a commercial market... So yeah, the tincture you're looking at is an overpriced one for sure. For you, looks like the best thing to do is to toke up!
^ cool. I realize now that I should of stuck with it, and let the "reverse tolerance" set in (I was so discouraged from the less-than-mindblowing experience that I gave the rest of the salvia, a couple bowls, to my friend, convinced that it was the batch that was ineffective, as opposed to my being a newbie). I'll probably still expirament with tinctures during the summer, but for now smoking will probably do. Should I just smoke crushed leaves, or would extracts be better (if it's extracts, then what "x")? I really want to experience Salvia; I'm at a point in my life where I searching really hard for some sort of spirituality. And SILVERWOLF, it seems like you found the site I was talking about, but in case you didn't, I put the links in my riginal post.
Extracts are probably the best bet for you. Anywhere from 5X to 10X is a good starting point, just be sure to keep the flame on it the entire time (don't just light up a corner and then smoke it, the salvinorin A won't vaporize that way). You can get extracts for fairly cheap off ebay and other stores. Smoking crushed dry leaves will work too, but you just have to smoke like a gram to get significant effects, which means multiple tokes which is difficult to do when you've already started trippin, heh heh. Ah yeah, and keep in mind that chewing base leaves (not extract) will give you the exact same effects as a tincture, since the salvinorin A is being absorbed the same way: through the oral muscosa. Just takes a little more effort and tastes kinda bitter. But then again, base leaves are sooooo damn cheap.
