The 1st law

Is this.

Time, duration.
Has no beginning or end.
Reality has always 'been'. in one form or another.
Our universe. If reality were earth. Is but a grain of sand
on a lonely beach.

This contradicts no known laws or 'facts'. Invalidates no theories
based in observation. But it does resolve many of the problems this
species has with causality.
The universe does indeed rest on the back of a turtle. And below it are
a pile of turtles without ANY end.

Occam

 

I could tell you Aliens exist in a far away universe and will never come into contact with us ever, it contradicts nothing, but i still will not call it a law

 

For some reason Occam seems to think he can post whatever inane babble he wants and we're all supposed to put up with it. From all the books he claims to have read, you'd think he might have learned to communicate a point clearly. But clearly he hasn't.

Sounding mysterious doesn't make something more deep or philosophical; it just makes you pretentious.

 

So both above posters

Does time have a beginning or end?
please stay on topic. There is no 'mystery' and i speak quite clearly my point. There is no deep and philosophical.
its as clear as ' things fall down' or 'pain hurts'
You ignore the issue and attack personally.
And very poorly done. 'inane babble' lol.
Always when people say they dont understand such a simple concept as
saying
there is one infinite... duration. it's because they dont want to think about it and or
it's too hard.. As albert said.. the one sure infinite thing is human stupidity.

Looking at both your sig's as compared to mine.
who are the 'the sure things' here?

Occam

 

Yes, time has both a beginning and an end. Time is a mental construct.
Infinite and duration, are contradicting terms. Eternity is not a measurement of time. I am unaware of a time when I was not. I have heard stories of a beginning I do not remember, but it is all hearsay, non of it source information. The only personally verifiable evidence I have is for uninterrupted concurrence.

 

Yes time ends for you, and me. when we go.
And thus it must have existed before we 'came' or we would not be.
I postulate it existed for ALL . before they came.
ego. time always existed
[ps if it were not so. then what of the bang where there is no humans just singularity unbound.
Reality exist despite our desire to be the center of it]

The problem is concept.. Realty IS time. No time no reality. no reality no time.
the NOW
Is all there is [past and future are human concept. a product of reason and genetics]
occam

 

You fail to communicate your points effectively, and you do it with a condescending attitude. That's my problem with you. You're flattering yourself a bit in thinking that I'm intimidated by these kinds of questions. They're not exactly new. I have no interest in discussing them with you because I don't get much out of your posts due to your inability to communicate a point.

 

Define "you" and "me".

Reality is non local and immediate. Time is a mental construct to consolidate imagery.

Past and future in a functional sense, is a perspective on the expanding universe.

 

I didn't claim there was a "deep and philosophical" and i definatley disagree that your claim is as obvious as "what goes up must come down" and "pain hurts" because both those things are demonstrate able and falsifiable (well the second is really a matter of definition of what pain and hurt is).

I didn't "attack" you and i wouldn't have called Zorba's comment an "attack".

What I don't understand, is why you think you have created the first scientific law? That's just stupid on a number of levels.

That's really a false dillemma, there is a good chance that neither of us are a sure thing.

But basically you've said nothing and called it a law, and claimed that because those who discuss critically with you have objectionable sigs (or whatever they have to do with it), that you must be right? Crazy...

 

I agree. trying to sound all mysterious just sounds like he can't communicate rationally and is covering up the fact that he has nothing relevant to say.

 

Time doesn't exist, we just construct the concept of time to keep track of things.

 

Neither did I, as a matter of fact. I think he knows that very well. What I said was that he tried to make thing appear deeper than they were through cryptic phrasing. None of what he has to say is terribly deep.

Exactly.

 

LOL now you pasting others but not me.?

Im insulted

Occam

 

What a funny flock of sheep you are.
Always ready to stamp on new concepts.
Im afraid you have met far more than your match.

Time has no beginning or end. There is not point where reality came to be..
It has always been.

You can attack me personally forever.. And to no effect.
The statement was
"Time, duration.
Has no beginning or end.
Reality has always 'been'. in one form or another."
even an idiot child can grasp that.. why not you.?
why do you call it fuzzy and unclear?
My daughter..who vets my posts.
A psychologist. suggests you have serious problems.. maybe she is correct.
She has no trouble understanding what i post. and she has iq of 176
prove it invalid. or even show ONE thing that questions it
you cannot

occam

 

Reality exists. it happens at a set rate, the rate we set our watches to.
If time does not exist how do you know what a 'thing' is or keep track of it..
plant you in garden next to potato...

ocam

 

I agree, okay? You're right, reality has always existed in some form and always will. Nothing else makes any sense. That's not why I'm criticizing you.

 

It is fuzzy and unclear because time, as causative force, is only one conjugation of the word time. There are no less than 29 separate entries, for the meaning of the word time. To use one entry only as a the whole basis for an entire world model, causes confusion. The idea that time or duration have no beginning and no end is based on limited information.

 

The only rate at which reality exists is immediate. That time, is system of distinguishing events: a dimension that enables two identical events occurring at the same point in space to be distinguished, measured by the interval between the events, is one of the many conjugations of time. All of the conjugations of time, are mental constructs.

 

Hence the phrase, time is a mental construct.

 

i guess there's no end to measuring things , and we get accustomed to what seems standard references of space , cycles , elemental decay , etc ... oh , these sure can change ... for instance , our earth's rotation can change . it was reported this happened with the last baddass quake .

perhaps space can change ? maybe space is rather different beyond the extent of our sun's gravitational wave . this could also be a boundary(an end) to our notion of time . we are so very local , spin spin spin .

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how does Razor's 1st law help us ? of what terrible trouble to all is somebody's belief about causality ?
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