The Donald Trump Score Card

Democrats don't exactly have 100% of the moral high ground on the marijuana issue.

In the 2005 case of Gonzales v. Raich, every democrat-appointed justice voted YES to allow the feds to raid patients in legal medical marijuana states. The ruling was 6-3, and the votes against it were by 3 republican appointed justices

 

I <3 Antifa

They're waking people up to the dangers of social justice warrioring, and driving sensible people away from socialist causes. And they don't even realize it.

 

US quits 'biased' UN human rights council

The US has quit the UN human rights council, citing its bias against Israel, and not citing the situation with the children being separated from their families or cozying up to brutal dictators.

 

Family values rhetoric rings hollow where this policy of government-mandated child abuse is concerned. What have you said about the current Trump practices of taking infants and toddlers away from their mothers and housing them in detention centers? I must have missed that post. The only previous comment I saw from you on this issue is the one about the leftists not complaining enough about African American convicts being separated from their fathers. Meliai was spot on in pointing to your own stance on these issues in previous posts. What you serve up to us now is pathetic attempts to characterize refugees as criminals and neglectful parents and to justify separating them from their children.

So you're characterizing refugees fleeing horrendous violence in Central America for the sake of their kids as "criminal parent..using their children collateral to commit their crimes"? Do you really think the kids are better off being taken away from their parents because of that?

So you'd presume they're all sex traffickers, snatch the kids away from them and put the kids in detention centers? Do you have any concept of what that does to a tender aged kid? No, I don't let them pass. I'd do what Obama and past administrations did: house them together in administrative facilities pending hearings. Turning your hypothetical around, suppose they have papers proving their relationship. That cuts no ice with the authorities under the current policy. Why not call in Maury Povich for a DNA test?

But you have no problem putting people who haven't been convicted of anything in detention facilities that separate kids of tender age from their parents? Not impressive.

 

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I think Okie has given a good reply to this but I’d like to just add my own take on it.

The world like any community needs a ‘policeman’ a policing system.

I, like many lefties, have been critical of US foreign policy (and others) because it was about their own interests and not those of the people in whose regions they were meddling.

They often did more harm than good although they could do good.

The thing is that the world does need policing, but if there is a policeman who puts his own interests above those of the community he is meant to serve then they are simply a bent copper.

The history of US foreign policy is one of missed opportunities to do good, in favour of what it (or the party in control at the time) thought served its own interests.

The US could have helped to set up a balanced system of global governance if it had been willing to put its own interests aside. They could have agreed to the global economic system proposed at Bretton Wood and they could have reformed the United Nations to make it more democratic and changed the way it was financed to make it more autonomous.

Instead the US aimed for hegemony,

The new America First movement seem to imply the world asked the US to be its policeman - it didn’t - the US aggressively pushed to take the position and tried to trash any other country that opposed them.

The democratically elected governments of the US chose to become a militarised society, it could have chosen not to but the American people wanted it, they could have chosen to spend the money on other things but they didn’t they voted to spend it on a military build-up.



The US imposed itself as the ‘defender of the free world’ often against the wishes of those been ‘defended’.

To listen to the American Firsters it’s as if the world forced the role of policeman on to a reluctant US but the truth is it was eager to take the position and use for its own ends.

I think many around the world would have preferred an honest broker to US meddling.

And that is what the world needs an honest policeman and again the US and Americans could help in doing good but I fear the Trump administration and the Firsters would like to do the wrong thing for the wrong reason.

 

CNN HAS JUST REPORTED COHEN IS FLIPPING ON TRUMP AND WILL GIVE PROSECUTORS INFORMATION ON TRUMP IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT

 

To put it simplistically there seem to be two wings of American thought one based on the good of self and the one based on the good of the community.

One selfish the other altruistic and generous.

If you view this in US foreign policy terms the selfish thinking ones would see the US global interaction, (and the reach for hegemony) in terms of was it good for them and from WWII up until say the late 1990’s it seem to be and the people and politicians they listened to were telling them that.

Foreign markets were opened up (sometimes forcibly) to American goods and services, neo-liberal policies of un-tariffed free trade promised cheaper goods (and delivered) and liberal immigration policies helped fuel the economy, for the selfish things seemed good - at first.

But the selfishness of US global interaction had always been offset by the more altruistic and generous side of the American public. It was they who wanted human rights to be championed, wished to help struggling nations through foreign aid and financing UN programmes and to work alongside allies to tackle such global problems as climate change.

The problem was that the neo-liberalist policies the selfish had voted for were not really helping them but only a few.

They suddenly looked around and went ‘just a minute’ and they voted for Trump.

Global interaction isn’t helping them anymore so it has to be stopped and reversed.

Trade agreements needed to be torn up to help them get back their jobs, tariffs brought in to stop cheap foreign goods competing for their jobs and the borders walled to stop the immigrants from taking away their jobs.

And also why care about other peoples human rights fuck them, why help others with foreign aid we should be helping ourselves and climate change is just a foreign conspiracy to hobble the US economy, so all that can go as well.

Thing is things could have been different if they had lisrened to the many warnings they were given – the selfish voted for their own short term interests without actually looking into the policies they were supporting actually meant, many warned them that it wasn’t good for their longer term interests they didn’t listen.

What is happening now is that the selfish are once again voting for their own short term interests without actually looking into the policies they are supporting actually mean – and once again many are warning them that it isn’t good for their longer term interests.

 

In used to say US troops are torturers murderers and oil thieves. Now I can add child abusers to that list in the same week Trump withdraws the USA from the UN Human Rights Commission. Steppenwolf had a song about this: The Monster

 

MeAgain

I’m not going to like your post because I don’t like it - I don’t like to hear about this even if I should.

I think any caring parent hearing such stories would feel like weeping but I’m also sure that many out there on the right of the issue don’t care about what is happening.

They have been taught to care about their own not any ‘others’ they are not ‘real’ people like their people are, they are different.

And if such sub-people do what they see as wrong then they deserve everything that they get.

I’m also sure some out there think it extremely funny the way all the bleeding heart liberals and lefties have got their knickers in a twist about all this misery.

 

Oh, yeah, I am a "feeling" bleeding heart liberal especially for children and animals. My bad.

How long are these children locked up in these cells and do they ever get reconnected with their moms or dads?

I keep getting Move On petitions started by Natalie Portman to sign to stop all of this.

 

No we just think it's hypocritical stance to take, when kids were in isolation when a Democrat does it, there is no outcry about it.

 

this is less about Israel, and more about trump. he would be called a hypocrite.

 

When were"the kids in isolation when a Democrat does it?" It was the policy of the Obama administration to keep families intact, separating adults from children only briefly to make sure they were really the parents. They would be housed together in administrative facilities while the deportation proceedings were in progress. Your efforts to assert a false equivalence between that policy and Trump's flies in the face of the reality that what he is doing--separation of parents and children by the thousands, babies and toddlers in detention centers indefinitely--is truly unprecedented.

 

Neither should we forget the mean, which at the present day is lost sight of in perverted forms of government; for many practices which appear to be democratical are the ruin of democracies, . . Those who think that all virtue is to be found in their own party principles push matters to extremes; they do not consider that disproportion destroys a state.
-aristotle

 

There was no outcry because it didnt happen under a Democrat administration. It also didnt happen under any previous administrations, period

Stop spreading lies. There is already enough misinformation on the internet, be responsible and fact check so that you dont add to it

 

Trump will sign executive order on family separation today.

Trump Will Sign Executive Order On Family Separation Today

Maybe Melania had a talk with him.

 

"legal or otherwise" really says it all.

 

That's usually the case. The tactics used by gangs of socialists have a limited shelf life. If they fail to gain their victory in short order, they've blown it. When Hillary tanked the socialists SHOULD have crawled back into the shadows and waited to strike when Trump support started to draw down.

Instead, they ramped up their games and drew substantial attention to the socialists in the government bureaucracy. More and more people are waking up to see that the real subversives who hate our nation are embedded deep in non-elected positions of substantial power. Alinsky tried to emphasize the limited duration of his plan. It was meant to be fast and hard hitting. Instead we are watching his adherents attempt to repeat the same shit over and over because, after all, MOST Americans are really really stupid and can't possibly decode the nuances of simple socialist tactics. Right?