Raw Milk farmer being chased,harrased like criminals...

Not. There are several dairy farms that have a so called 'milk tap' near the road/entrance to their farm where consumers can get raw milk through self supply. This is something of the last years as the demand for it has been increasing.
The authorities only allow it because they expect the consumer to cook it before consumption. They're advocating against consuming it raw, which is solid advice if one wants to avoid all risks.

 

i have read all wilsjane,
and all my bells are starting to ring, it makes sense now...
just YESTERDAY i read that the beverage manufacturers put carbon in soft drinks in order to keep them germ-free , that is to increase shelf-life. Same reason for pasteurization. Unfortunately user asmodean seriously believes that pasteurization is done for our little guts sake. how nice of the industry to care for our guts, right ? lol. He thinks that it is "safer" lol. As i mentioned milk-intolerance is increasing worldwide because of the pasteurization process. AND im living proof because last year i ordered raw milk from my neighbour up in the hills, I had no symptoms, i could even drink 1 liter at once and i loved the taste. People who are lactose intolerant CAN tolerate raw milk without any problems.Because, as I said earlier there is one ingredient naturally contained that neutralises the harmful effect of lactose .

 

really? that is great. maybe this is why dutch people are among the healthiest in the world. and btw the tallest people on average ;-) ive seen many 6ft dutch women

 

You're wrong. Most milk is pasteurized and has a shelf life of about a week if unopened. Only sterilised, dried and/or condensed milk can be stored for about a year.

Also, you must understand that the primary reason that the majority of milk has an increased shelf life is because the customer craves it. It seems the far majority buys and prefers pasteurized milk. Now, if that would change the industry (including the farmers) would have a problem and have to adapt.

 

asmodean there is one type of milk that is stored at room temperature in the supermarkets, i dont know how you call it in english? that is what ive meant. in german we say "haltbare milch" which by the way is the only milk available in spain. you dont find fresh milk as in holland,austria here.

yes, i know that most people prefer their milk to have a longer eat-by- date. but they should also not make it ilegal to sell raw milk in some countries like US, SPAIN

 

It's a fact that its safer. If you want to argue something else back it up.
And i explained the industry does not merely do it because the people in charge there care so much about our guts, but also because the biggest demand is there. Selling raw milk as a mass product is unwanted from every perspective.

 

can you then explain to me why in the world is milk-intolerance increasing instead of decreasing?

 

Sorry that you have missed me. I have had my first nasty virus for a few years, so my body has had a lot of regenerating to do. As a result, I have been working from home and not had HF running in the background to chat when I stop for my numerous cups of tea throughout the day. That is mainly because Jane has also been working from home and while she is connected to the government IT system, internet access is blocked. by her login. Unfortunately I still have almost no hearing, but that does not prevent me from chatting online.

 

waoo you have a virus that also effects your hearing are you serious? ive never heard that :;-.( youll be fine ...you mean you cant hear well at the moment? maybe the ear-canal/eustachian tube is stuffed with mucus or maybe an acute infection there? you know best its your body

 

I think that you have answered your own question. Milk has been basically pasteurized in the UK since before I was born and it cut the thousands of TB deaths to almost zero. It is the more modern processes that kill off other parts of the milk and has caused the huge rise in intolerance.
Unfortunately going back to the 1960s is impossible today. I will explain why if you are interested.

 

No bacterial infection in the middle ear, just the Eustachian tubes blocked and tympanic membranes bulging as the temperature and atmospheric pressure changes. Fortunately I have a good doctor who did not prescribe antibiotics that would have killed half the bacteria in my body, upset digestion and slowed recovery.However they have discovered a heart problem that may have caused my tiredness over the past few years.
I am sure that you would not want to be my doctor, LOL.

 

I would say that's a slightly different issue than a safety issue. A health issue. It's clear that as long as there's no speck of dirt or a wrong bacteria in it, raw milk is the healthiest option to consume (not for every lactose intolerance person though).
But as the avoidance of it can not be guaranteed in raw mass production... well you know the drill

 

I'm afraid you're jumping to conclusions. It is a logical connection to make but one and one is not always two.
First: is the amount really increasing or is it just getting more acknowledged.
Second: which persons are most prone to getting or having an intolerance, and why?

Really? Can you elaborate on that. Especially the deaths part seems udder (pun intended, couldn't resist ) nonsense.

Not true. Most people can also tolerate pasteurized milk. Even a significant amount of lactose-intolerance people can lol. Just in smaller quantities. And those won't die from drinking more: they just experience the physical inconveniences you named for awhile. Some in a more serious way than others but still.

Pasteurized and condensed/sterilised milk makes the lactose-intolerance apparent, but it is far from certain if it is actually causing it.
If you somehow know for certain I am returning you your own advice and (try to) back it up

 

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im glad you Know how Bad antibiotics is
Plesse get well soon i need you for chatting

 

I hope you're not denying that they can have their use.

 

it is well known that adults can not tolerate comercial milk. but when they were children they could drink it. try to give an adult milk he will most likely get diarrhea

also you did not eloborate on what i told you before i said i can drink raw milk , even 1 Liter at once, without getting the problems i get with comercial milk

 

@Asmodean
@wilsjane

here is what i meant before with "that thing that is killed during pasteurization that helps digest lactose" . that "thing" is called "lactase". Just found it now . Here is an extract of raw-milk website:

"Our products have what Mother Nature intended, a diversity of good bacteria and a wide range of essential enzymes including lactase for lactose digestion and phosphatase that is essential for the utilization of calcium.

One reason raw milk is so much easier to digest compared to pasteurized milk is due to the presence of lactase, the enzyme that breaks down milk sugar and which many humans are unable to produce." (source: www.realmilk.com)

 

omg reading that, i learned something new about calcium,. that explains why regular comercial milk drinker have a calcium deficiency now i know. it is the "phosphatase " that is missing, but present in raw-milk ajajajaja

 

So basically you put yourself in danger of Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria, smart