Raw Milk farmer being chased,harrased like criminals...

This seems bogus, unless maybe if you would specify. It seems to me this only counts for lactose-intolerant people, or people who are not used to any dairy in the first place (the latter are fairly uncommon in our part of the world.

I have elaborated on far more things with factual info than you.
Maybe return the favor first

As I pointed out though: just because pasteurized milk makes the lactose-intolerance apparent doesn't mean it is causing it.

You stated:

Take your time!

 

Regular milk drinker or just the lactose intolerant minority? If you really claim the first back it up in this thread.

 

if i am a farmer with 200 very expensive milk cows i am not gonna risk it all so david can have raw milk......i have several milk farmer neighbors ......these guys work like dogs from dusk till dawn overseeing multi million dollar oprations.....insurance tells them don't fucking sell this milk out your back door or we will pull your insurance and shut you down

illegal here and brutally hard to find.....only part time milk farmers sell milk raw....the big guys do not under any circumstance......there is no good reason to do it either?....the health benefits of milk in general are debated in the scientific and health communities

raw tastes like ass too

 

i drink milk from the store all the time....doesn't give me diarrhea lol.....

 

Seems a subjective matter. I personally disagree. It's just that there's a serious health risk. It can go perfectly well maybe hundreds of time, but one time is enough to kill you.

I basically agree with Kerri on this: ideally people should get properly informed and make their own decision. Its also how evolution works

 

i took my time
i dont know why you always beat around the bush and close your eyes to the facts i always indicate, i showed you the extract of that website stating raw milk contains "lactase" which neutralises lactose. Again, for the 3rd time: I tolerate raw milk but i dont tolerate commercial milk. Same with my friends who could drink it when they were children but not anymore.

It is very exhausting to chat with you because i have to keep repeating what i already mentioned.

 

it is starting to make sense now everything to me, here is my conclusion:

- commercial milk producers of course MUST pasteurize their milk because of all the antibiotics, pesticides, hormones etc used. If they did not , many people would fall ill and/or die . I agree and understand now.

- organic milk producers COULD easily sell raw milk because they dont use the above mentioned harmful substances . Therefore it would not impose any risk to an average joe consumer.

 

Sigh. You've not even tried to properly back up what you claim to be certain. Tragic.

Evolution at work

 

@wilsjane

wilsjane please read what i have just written above, it is starting to make sense, im sure you also see it that way ?

 

I backed everything up of which I said I'm sure of.

As I pointed out, drinking pasteurized milk makes it apparent if a person has lactose-intolerance or not. It makes it clear they are missing the lactase enzym, or aren't producing enough of it.
It does not prove in any way pasteurized milk is the cause of it.
The raw milk still has the lactase enzym in it, therefor most lactose-intolerant people can consume it just fine.

No, you do not have to repeat yourself at all. You have to back up what you claim to be factual, but you can't. It seems you are aware of it finally and now resort to lame excuses and evasive tactics.

Weak. As said to you before (not even by me): if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

 

Something tells me you havent done your homework

 

@Asmodean
i love the heat in kitchen and i love to discuss,
but having to keep repeating everything twice or thrice is annoying, and im starting to assume that you do that on purpose because you certainly arent dumb as I noticed...

 

like what? tell me im listening...

 

Don't forget TB, the real killer of thousands of people in the 19th century. LOL.

 

h,i, just signed back in because saw you, please view my previous post, would like your opinion on that

 

Those comments are also a bit backwards. Sugars are absorbed through the walls of the stomach and the fat molecules are easier to break down in homogenized milk, thus putting a quicker dose of sugars into our blood that will turn into human fat if not burnt off quickly enough. No doubt the milk producers use this as an excuse to churn most of the fat off and sell us muddy looking water.
Regarding nature. Did dear old mother nature REALLY intend us to spend our day sucking cows udders. Health and safety could have a field day if we went back to the truly natural way of drinking our natural pint a day. LMAO

 

allright, then im .....


out --
(ll be back later again)

 

How is heating milk going to eliminate pesticides?

 

You were proven wrong (again) and you can't admit it.
If you disagree you just have to prove I'm wrong (which i encourage). Its done with properly backing up your argument with facts. Only you act like you have to repeat yourself.
You're not fooling anyone. Don't resort to bullshit.

 

It is a problem today, because few farms have the means of basic pasteurization now that milk separation and packaging has moved to the large production units. 85 degree pasteurization cannot be done at home, since it requires running the milk over alternate steam heated and refrigerated plates to change the temperature too and fro within a few seconds, thus killing bacteria. It is just a shame that milk simply pasteurized this way is not available from the producers, but the problem is that it has a shelf life of less than 24 hours. When that was the normal milk at the dairy, we were buying milk in the morning that had left the cow at 7pm the previous evening. In my younger days, we did not have a fridge at home and in summer we needed to boil the milk at lunchtime to prevent it curdling before our evening meal and bedtime drinks.