After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

It's not an argument for anything. If the current laws were strictly enforced by the courts, and followed by the citizens, there'd be no issue. The younger generation aren't being taught to fear the repercussions of behaving badly because they're coddled and protected at every turn instead of having a hard lesson beat into them, so to speak.

 

I went from conceal carry to open carry in the past year. Brought about by a few circumstances that didn't exist prior. I'll admit that the way it makes an impression has been more positively surprising than I expected. How to say this without starting a new liberal outburst.........

The amount of shady looking individuals that used to travel closer to me have pretty much disappeared. Lets just say they provide a much wider safety zone without my asking them to. They see a gun and self elude.

 

I’m saying allow those that choose to legally arm (adults ) to carry if they want to. If nothing else it would be a deterrent. The course to obtain your concealed handgun license in Ohio is pretty thorough. My class lasted 12 hours and made sure everyone was competent enough to use a firearm before class was over (tested for safety while shooting)

The problem lies is how do we keep guns out of the criminal and irresponsible? So far it’s hard to come up with a solution without trampling all over the rights of law abiding citizens.

 

I admit racism goes on....past that you are putting words in my mouth.

Video taped social experiments are great as teaching tools. But also teach the particulars of that video. It was 2 different cops. So we don't know how the first cop would have acted in the 2nd scenario and vice versa. Next we don't see how this would have played out with a black officer responding to each of these scenarios.

I see it was filmed in May of 2015. So this isn't about Trump and his alleged policies against race.

We don't know if they were filmed at the same time, in the same city. It is most definitely not the same police dept responding to each scenario. Very obvious differences in the way it was set up. In the first portion you see no black bystanders walking by, in the second you see nothing but black standers walking by. So at the least it seems to be very different parts of town if in fact its the same town.

I'll also point out that the white man was not carrying something in his hands while the black man was. Have no idea what or why but that may certainly make a difference in the cops perception of threat.

Where was it(they) taken? Baltimore, Chicago etc. Both shot in the same cities or different cities?

In the end we don't know if the black man was arrested. If he wasn't, than he was not subjected to any trumped up charges just to make the arrest stick because he was a black man. He may have been issued an apology with an explanation. None of which we will ever hear about even if they would have been invited to film that part.

The very nature of the video was to try and bait a racism debate. Maybe if you were a cop, and you knew your daily routine was a majority of one race that caused most of your daily responses, and you saw that race carrying an assault weapon, then maybe as that cop, you feel that its better to use that fact when you evaluate a situation you are faced with in the video. This will undoubtedly make the cop a racist to those that need to make it about racism. No matter what. If you ignore the fact that if you look at the number one cause of deaths of black men between 15-35 are by black men between 15-35. Ignore the population of prisons by racial demographics. Ignore what the cop might see everyday of his working life. Ignore all of that, and yes we can call anyone a racist by the way they treat a black.

So sure you can of course make it about racism so that the rest of the facts can't be heard. That's the liberal trumpet song that has been played for so long now that we all know the tune before the show starts.

Are there racist cops? You bet. Are cops set up to made to look racist? You bet!

So yeah this is about racism. Sometimes racism comes from facts. Sometimes it doesn't. But I have learned that media manipulation has become a full contact sport now.

 

The problem also lies in the fact that there are millions of guns out there, with no legal requirement to register them. The immensity of trying to track, find, and capture them is more money than you can imagine. Not to mention all the lawyers that will jump on board to stop these actions from progressing. You'll never know if you got them off the streets as you never know how many are on the streets vs legally kept off the streets. So its like trying to stop the waves from coming ashore by using your water pail.

 

Racial demographics in prisons are a product of racism, not the other way around.

 

Oh right I forgot. Blacks aren't actually committing crimes. They get subjected to corrupt due process and get put there by being black.

 

For those who want politicians do act on the gun control issue, don't hold your breath.
They did nothing when one of their own was shot at that softball game, last year.

When politicians are bought, and paid for by the gun lobby, don't tell me how corrupt other countries are.

 

When you make a post even slightly worthy of an in depth reply you know I'm good enough to give it.
This wasn't one. It was nasty. Not worth my time and effort. I'm indeed smarter than that.
If you wanna act like this is some sort of excuse, instead of my sincere opinion... so be it.

 

Do you have any numbers on this? Stats? Links?

Anything to prove this statement is more than a generalization?

We need to get to the root of this issue, but we we need to stop guessing and cherry picking.

 

So I'm glad you posted the link that breaks down the rate by state because I do want to point out my own state has one of the highest gun fatality rates in the country and the highest rate of domestic violence. Obviously mass shootings arent the only concern when it comes to gun control .

I've already mentioned that my state introduced a gun control measure in 2015 that prevents people with a criminal domestic violence conviction from buying a firearm. Do you disagree with that ?

Do you realize when people talk about gun control they're generally talking about common sense measures like that rather than the forcible removal of guns from your home?

Anyways your argument about traffic fatalities is fallacious .6 Eyed Shaman tried the same tactic with illegal immigrants. You guys are basically saying if you dont express outrage over issue X you have no right to express outrage over issue Y. That's an illogical argument. And you have no idea what my feelings are regarding car culture and traffic fatalities so you're making an assumption there. Start a thread about traffic fatalities and I'll be quite happy to bitch about the fact that there's an accident a day on the stretch of I-85 I commute every day. Its off topic in this thread though and has nothing to do with the issue of gun control

You want links showing the US has the highest gun ownership and highest rate of gun violence in the first world? I didnt post links initially because I thought it was common knowledge but here you go.


America’s unique gun violence problem, explained in 17 maps and charts



Anyways you seem to think mass shootings arent a big deal and are just the price to be paid for your "freedom." And I think that's bullshit .So we clearly will never see eye to eye on this.

 

Go Mel, go Mel. It's ya birthday...

 

You want to look at the ratios? Let's remember the United States is only 13% (I think) African American.

Now you're going to justify the quantity of African Americans in U.S. jails and prisons? Try the Bureau of Prisons statistic. BOP Statistics: Inmate Race



Now we can look at that 37% African American, and try to figure out what is going on there. But without even doing that we can see that it's out of proportion. 13% U.S. Population vs. 37% Prison Population. You're telling me, "Well they must be committing more crimes than white people".? Ok. That may be true. But I believe there is a serious case against racial profiling here. The main issue is that they look different than a white person. Recall the video posted with the person of color being treated differently than the white person walking around with the open carry issue. That's the sort of thing I'm looking at.

 

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Yes actuly. If not wrongfully accused they are more likely to receive longer sentences and less likely to be able to afford an attorney. Every race commits crimes but black people are a large portion of the prison population yet they are a minority in America. So it's either that they are by birth prone to issues and are not entitled to the same treatment because of this. Or there is racism going on. We know which one you believe in,.

 

So how do poor white people that commit crimes get different legal outcomes? All attorneys are racially biased?

And nowhere in your spectrum of thinking do you ever consider that maybe they (poor blacks) commit more crimes?

 

Yes. It's the same in the US. Most of our crime rate are in the inner cities mostly controlled by democrats.

 

And gee whaddya know there is more to this story. Found this after my earlier response.

The rest of the story. A clear case of race baiting set up.



THIS IS THE PROBLEM. NOT THE COPS in this case.