After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Just pointing out you were arguing a moot point. I think you were well aware though. You just got nothing else it seems

 

Yup. Context and details matter. We all get that. You too?

 

At the very least, there should be a national database of all semi-automatic rifle owners so if someone says they're going to shoot up a school, the FBI can do a quick check to see if that person has weapons to carry it out. Sure, somebody could go on a shooting spree with a handgun, but they couldn't do near the damage they could do with a rifle.

 

I think I would take it the same way. Neither PP or the NRA are people,they're organizations

But to be fair since abortion clinic have been the object of violent attacks it would make more sense to take it that way in that case

Whereas people in favor of gun control are highly unlikely to be suggesting the murder of someone

 

I don't see this as a blanket ban but lets not argue semantics. What sort of gun control measures would be acceptable to you?

 

I find all existing measures acceptable to me. None of them have prevented these senseless shootings. What is going to put a stop to them is the task at hand, and it's not a gun control issue. It's a human behavior issue similar to people getting into a car drunk or high and killing innocent people despite all the laws intended to prevent that.

 

Should a people with a culture so depraved they can’t stop murderings kids at school have such easy and free access to assault weapons? That makes no sense at all to me and it’s at odds with every piece of data. People support guns because they like guns. Period.

 

Is the car the issue in the case of a drunk driving death of an innocent child? Or how easy it is to get one?

 

Why do you suppose people in other First World countries, say Australia, don't have this problem? Do you think they have tyrannies?

 

Cars have a utilitarian purpose other than killing people. AR 15s don't.

 

So should we ban humans or regulate human behavior? Yes, that would work. Not a practical solution. All of the talk about more emphasis on mental health ignores the facts that (1) mental health is far from an exact science: we don't know how to cure these conditions, how to spot them in advance, or even how to get people into the system for diagnosis; (2) the same politicians who push that solution are the ones cutting funding for mental health; (3) last year the NRA backed repeal of Obama era measures to enter the names of people on mental illness disability into the background check system (also people on the no-fly list), because the mentally ill have rights too. The NRA even balks at Trump's proposal to raise the age of gun ownership from 18 to 21. So all the talk about a "human behavior issue" is more shuck n' jive for doing nothing.

 

I'm not sure if they do or don't. If they don't, it could be because they're to worried about all the animals and insects and reptiles in their backyard that could kill them.

 

They do, you refuse to see it.
And being very utilitarian is a reason to excuse an ability to kill senslesesly?

 

Ummmmm ..... you’re right. Lots of people die in car accidents, some not as accidental as others. We as a nation have implicitly decided that price is worth the convenience of cars. If you’re not willing to consider control control, you’re making the same implicit statement - that the kids deaths are worth the fetish freedom

 

Just what are existing laws for if not to regulate human behavior to the level where your rights aren't violated and you don't violate others.

 

So now I'm a gun nut, anti gun control person with a fetish, and not a law abiding and civilly responsible person? All because you can't come up with a solution to a horrible problem that will actually work?

 

Sorry, I meant “you” plural not “you” soecifcally.

But if you specifically aren’t willing to consider changes then you specifically are okay with the outcomes.

Obama rammed through sweeping healthcare legislation 8 years ago under the auspices of its not perfect but we can fix it later. Trump rammed through sweeping tax reform this year knowing it also wasn’t perfect but could be fixed later. Why does action on gun control require perfection?

The answer is weak men who need weapons to feel strong feel threatened

 

All laws are to regulate behavior. Some are more effective than others.

 

So explain it to me. What is the utilitarian purpose of rapid fire weapons, if not to kill people? Besides, you're assuming the debate is about banning guns instead of reasonably regulating them.

 

They’re “protection” rifles - or collection pieces - that’s why I need 10,000 rounds of ammo ;-p