After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Mcme he's right. Your argument is that cars then should be banned. But cars don't serve an exclusively murderous purpose. Their other purposes outnumber the negative uses of them. The assault weapon is not a good thing to be keeping around. Here is an article from psychology today that pokes fun at the idea about cars being banned. "Guns Don’t Kill People, People Do?"

 

The solution is clear. Almost everyone sees it and agrees. You are the exception.
The car comparison argument has been done to death btw.

 

bazookas don't kill people... give me a break!

 

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No - let’s stiffen gun laws just like we did with drunk driving. Let’s permanently revoke people’s gun rights if they break the laws. Let’s start outreach programs in schools to stop guns just like we did with drunk driving. It’s you that’s inconsistent

 

^I always have to chuckle when people try to use the car argument. To operate a car you have to take a drivers ed course, take a test, obtain a license, you're entered into a database of registered drivers, and your license can be taken away for misuse. And you have to pay liability insurance on your car. Cars are much more regulated than guns

 

The latest polling shows that Americans aren't buying the stupid arguments being put out by the NRA and its fans. Those favoring gun control outnumber the gun nuts by more than 2 to 1.
Poll: Support for gun control hits record high
Poll: Majority backs stricter gun control laws after Vegas shooting
The American public could be at a turning point on gun control
Maybe there's hope, but I wouldn't underestimate the counter punch of NRA campaign donations and the stupid vote.

 

I've never cared for the car argument simply because so many drivers are so amazingly incompetent and yet, they still drive. In Atlanta many fools apparently have created the concept of the "Left of Way" in which THEY are perfectly within the law to take a left in front of you and toss up a traffic finger when you hit the horn. People in Tucson seem to drive slightly better, but then the speed limit is 40, everywhere!

On the gun side the competency aspect is a mixed bag depending on where you live. However, the government is very clear about what happens to your gun rights when you get a felony on your record. Even if it's for bad checks or hacking, your guns rights are gone. The only way to maybe get it back is to pay enough money to a lawyer to replace all the appliances and flooring in their kitchen.

While I think Dana Loesch is inclined to run her mouth a bit too far, I do agree with her position on the media's ghoulish love for the ratings they get when reporting school shootings. Her quip "grieving white mothers are ratings gold" is right on the money. The only time the media pours out for dead black kids is when they have been killed by the cops, which is also a huge ratings booster. As for the NRA, they're political flypaper. They have shelled out $200M to republicans while unions have sent over a billion to democrats. It's all in whom you choose to buy.

But politically speaking, $200M is not much money. What's interesting is how that money marks a politician, essentially for life. Doesn't matter if it's $5 or $5M, if it came from the NRA, it's political poison. I wish we would put as much energy into unmasking all of the other lobbyists and PACs to reveal just how corrupted by cash BOTH sides of our government have become.

 

I remember these two bastards well, they shot anyone regardless of color, gender or age. They shot a little boy in the chest. They should have been executed.

 

1. The demographics of gun ownership

I think this may be one way that gun control occurs naturally.
Rural america is losing it's population.
1)People are dieing, and
2)People are moving to the cities.
Granted some city dwellers are leaving the rat race for the country, but most of these people are not gun owners.

 

This.

Also I think cultural attitudes towards guns will shift in backlash to the cultural shift we've seen in recent years. I'm not a fan of guns but I do remember a time when people were saner and less obsessive about them. I remember a time when all the men in my neighborhood growing up had 1 or 2 guns but they didnt stockpile dozens of guns and they didn't make a big deal about their guns. They werent "proud" of them the way so many seem to be today. They were just there .

Kids today have grown up in a crazier time, they've seen the way gun purchases skyrocket after school shootings, they've grown up in a time where mass shootings are just a painful part of their reality. They see gun owners bragging online about how they own 30+ guns. (And there are statistics to back this up, today there are less gun owners but more guns in circulation than 50 years ago, suggesting people are stockpiling them)

I think there will be a backlash against the craziness of today's current gun culture when today's high schoolers become adults and start voting and getting involved in politics.

 

Yeah shes not wrong. The 24/7 news cycle does profit from coverage of mass shootings, no doubt

But I couldnt help but notice she failed to point out how the arms industry also profits. Gun sales always spike after a mass shooting

 

Get out the fast line, stick with the homeboys

 

This kind of mirrors my thinking. There will never be any significant progress until there is just a kind of generalized revulsion towards guns. There is plenty that could be done but the political will just doesn't exist today and I don't think we're close to it yet. The manufacture, sale and possession of military style weapons could be outlawed. More could be done to identify troubled individuals before they do something violent. Schools could be better protected. It doesn't have to be just about gun control; a multi-pronged approach would work much better. Of course, these measures would require us to reexamine our values and would take a lot of money to implement. And it might take decades to see any result. But America once put men on the Moon when we made up our minds to do it.

 

An interesting premise. But the gun issues in rural America don't make headlines. Any idea what the mass shooting numbers in rural America might be?

 

A lot of what's here is pretty clear thinking and already in place.
However, I've been only me for pretty close to 54 years now, please explain where I'm inconsistent.

 

I might not be the only exception. In our democratic society, if most people felt a particular way, it'd be a done deal. Yet it's not.

 

My argument isn't even close to banning cars. It's to create more empathy for others, more respect for all life, and more personal responsibility for an individuals actions. And certainly to lay less blame on anything that's only mechanical and has no ability to think or act on its own.

 

Rapid fire as in fully automatic? None except warfare, which is why they're strictly regulated to the border of outright illegal.
An auto loading firearm has the advantage of greatly reduced kickback, and the ability to get a second round on target before the deer even heard the sound of the first.
I'm not against reasonable regulation. It's been in place my entire life. But banning auto loading firearms or limiting there capacity anywhere but while hunting in the field is not something I support.

 

Those are worthy goals that the world's major religions purport to have been aiming for since the Axial Age. So far, the progress has been underwhelming. But keep trying. I wish you luck, and basically agree with you that most of the world's problems could be solved by spiritual healing. More empathy would be great, and more personal responsibility is always in order. Throw in some reciprocal altruism, too. Peace, love and understanding. Kumbaya, baby! Does respect for all life include deer? (Yes, I know. they're over-breeding and need to be culled.) Meanwhile, I think more practical measures are called for. NickoIas Cruz obviously didn't get the message. And I don't feel the least bit sorry for unthinking mechanical contraptions, even if they can't help it..