After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 15, 2018.

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  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    A lot of teachers don't. I think thats fair to state yes. It's only a good solution for gun nuts.
     
  2. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Just have the door automatic and only open if the metal detector doesn't beep. It would cost money, but at least the schools would be safe. I'm in favor of gun control for automatic weapons also, but that won't stop black market automatic guns or all the guns not covered by the ban from being used.
     
  3. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    What's in that trombone case , sister ?
    I am not yer sister .
     
  4. Monkey Boy

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    Yeah, it would be inconvenient at first, but once people got used to it things would flow more smoothly. I don't think something similar to airport security would work. Just a simple metal detector and an automatic door that couldn't be shot through. Metal detectors are selling for $2000 on ebay.
     
  5. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    The gun shops were busy today. I went to 3 of them. I purchased one rifle. Demand is high. Employees are on the phone with distributors who are low on inventory or out of stock on many firearms themselves. My NRA new membership packet will be coming in the mail soon.
     
  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Automatic weapons are already illegal.
     
  7. Meliai

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    And why do you feel the need to join the hordes of other people who rush to buy guns after a mass shooting?
     
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  8. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Because I believe, and I may be wrong, that action in real life like buying a rifle, putting your money where your mouth is, showing up, earning a concealed carry permit, is more powerful and effective than arguing on the internet. Are you doing anything to work for what you want besides having intellectual debates online?
     
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  9. Meliai

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    Yes i've written my representatives and joined the local chapter of a pro gun control group.

    I've always found the spike in gun sales after a mass shooting to be a bit depraved to be honest.
     
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  10. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't believe you. Did you write a physical letter or an email or what? What gun control group specifically did you join?

    Depraved is defined as wicked or morally corrupt. Can you expound on how you came to that judgement?
     
  11. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    With freedom comes responsibility. Would you rather we have no freedom and not have to deal with responsibility? I am grateful for this country and the freedom we have. According to the FBI rifles kill 1/4 of that of knives and 1/8 that of hand guns. The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting. Id rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. And this is where the detractors say.. ah youre a cave man gun nut that needs to join civilized society. Well, philosophically i think the primitive deserves a lot of respect. Why does it have an inherent negative connotation? You are fooled if you think we are past all that. Or that we need to be. We share a lot in common with lobsters which are many millions of years older than trees.
     
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  12. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    This is why we need more school shootings. Kids need to die so gun sales go up.
     
  13. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    I condemn this comment even if you are just trying to be ridiculous. do you know the authorities are taking threats like this very seriously now. I will report this to forum moderators and they can contact law enforcement if they choose.
     
  14. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    Yeah go right ahead. Buy more guns while you're at it.

    You know, the threat level and stuff.
     
  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Sounds like the NRA's point of view on needless gun accidents and mass shootings

    The innkeeper trusts his guests like he is himself
     
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  16. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Mach

    Whose freedom? What freedoms would you defend with your guns? - when would you start killing police officers?

    I mean as I pointed out earlier - US gun owners say their guns are in part held to defend against a ‘bad’ government, but what is the definition of a ‘bad’ government, what is the demographics of gun ownership in the US, and I believe it’s mainly white, male and politically right wing and politically in the US who are the biggest defenders of gun rights, does it come from the right or left?

    What do you think they would define as a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ government?

    Think about the thousands of black people murdered by the KKK and other racists in the southern states of the US was that ‘tyranny’ was that ‘bad’ government – so why didn’t the ‘decent’ and ‘good’ white people of those areas protect the black people being abused, I mean they had access to guns.

    It seems to me that it’s basically a well-armed right wing group threatening society with violence if it does things they don't like – for instance bring in gun control, I mean as one person put it, that is when they would begin killing police officers.

    It does make one wonder if the gun lobby are the ones most likely to support ‘bad’ government if it fitted in with their viewpoint?
     
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  17. Balbus

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    Mach

    But as I’ve already pointed out many gun owners claim that they have guns for the very specific task of killing police officers (and others) if they don't conform to the gun owners political views.

    And I’ve already said I hope the FBI is taking note of such people.
     
  18. Balbus

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    More pages and the same old same old from the anti-gun lobby –same old bluster, same old hot air and same old BS.

    They have no real argument because there is no real argument because they have begun with ‘I don’t want it’ and then gone looking for anything that might just vaguely fit in with that stance even when their isn’t anything and even when they know there isn’t anything – that is there isn’t anything rational or reasonable.

    Because it seems to me that the main reason so many have the stance they do is because they are afraid its emotional fear that drives them it’s basically ‘I don’t want it because I’m afraid’

    They’re frightened of their society, they’re frightened of people not like them, they are frightened of change, they are frightened of ‘the conspiracy’, they are frightened of ‘the government’ and they are frightened that people might find out they are frightened.

    Those that want to exploit them nurture their fears and encourage the paranoia and even hate that is built on that fear.
     
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  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    No, I'm saying there are better ways to combat this problem.
    Hijackings aren't on the decline just because pilots have guns..if they do...it's due to a complicated approach to the problem.

    Arming teachers isn't the best, or only way, to address school shootings.
    The cost of arming 20% of the public school teachers is about $250 million to $1 billion dollars depending on the training and whether the government could get the guns at half price. Unless you want the teachers to pay for their own weapons and training.

    Just guns and insurance alone would run about $180 million, with no training.
    It would also introduce another 718,000 guns into the school system and public at large, and that's just for starters. Guns would need to be upgraded and replaced as time went on.
    The same for training, it would have to be ongoing forever.

    Gingrich wants to hire six to eight armed guards for every public school in America. Cost, $12 billion a year.

    And we haven't even considered colleges, universities, private schools, movie theaters, concerts, etc.

    Seems to me it's much easier and cheaper to just ban the guns.
    Why not use the $12 billion to buy back all these semiautomatic guns instead of further enriching the gun companies and the NRA?
     
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  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    On the subject of a teacher confronting an AR 15 with a Glock. We know that as the police (and teachers) arm themselves the criminals do the same. So if a suicide nut chooses to attack a school don't you think they'll consider that a few teachers will be armed and prepare accordingly.

     
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