After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Won't dispute your figures. And as I state I support a ban. But if that doesn't happen you can't just throw a tantrum and say that nothing else will be helpful.

Being armed is better than not. 6 teachers being armed in a school gives a 6 times better possibility that a shooter can be stopped. One against one is still a better choice than 1 against no resistance.

Many teachers would be capable of being armed and capable. Some are ex military or hunters or gun carrys themselves already.

 

Thats a strange thing to say, that you dont believe me. I'm not moving mountains here. civic engagement isnt that difficult. It is more difficult than writing the NRA a check they dont need, I do admit that .
Do you lie a lot on the internet? Generally I find that people who are distrustful and prone to accusing others of lying do so because they themselves lie a lot.

Anyways resist bot makes communicating with your congressional reps really easy. You should try it! If you think writing them is so difficult as to not be believable you should try it. It really simplifies the process. I use resist bot once a week actually .

I joined Moms Demand Action. I was hesitant to tell you because their facebook page and live meetings have both been trolled by NRA types but I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you're asking sincerely.

As for why reactionary gun sales immediately following the slaughter of innocent children seems depraved to me, I dont feel that warrants further explanation.

I've said this before, the US has a gun culture problem. The fact that the first response for so many is to stockpile guns following a mass shooting is a huge part of the cultural problem imo.

 

The U.S. has a war-mentality problem . Or is it a peace problem ? The children cry for peace , await
a reply , and on and on
they hear
noise

 

I find that the Republican led Congress is doing nothing to address this problem. I feel like they're dictatorial. They don't represent the people. Our government is supposed to magically do that, and I don't see it doing that. It's like, everyone under the sun is asking for them to ban assault weapons and they're sticking to their guns (pun intended) not letting anything get through. We want change and they can't or won't deliver. What can someone do other than hope to get a more representative sample in Congress this midterm. How do you do that though?

I applaud Meliai for writing to her representative. I recently wrote to mine for a school assignment to eliminate fossil fuel tax subsidies. I don't know what I would write about gun control. It's a really contentious issue, and I just get the feeling, though I don't know my reps stance, that we aren't going to win on this one.

 

Let’s recap what happened here:

-lots of people own guns
-a troubled autistic 19 year old gets a gun
-he threatens the school
-the cops go to his house 36 times
-the FBI is informed many times
-many people know that he’s been ranting and raving about wanting to be a school shooter
-he shoots up a school
-the county sheriff and police don’t stop him

Yet somehow this is all the NRA’s fault?

 

I also hate how children are exploited to push political narratives. I hated it when republicans used children to fight against gay marriage. And I don’t like it how democrats are using them as props to push anti-gun campaigns

 

The loophole here is not at the NRA. It's at the gun store. He shouldn't have been able to access an AR-15. Bill Clinton passed legislation to accomplish as much which was then repealed. It should have been left in place. There's no reason why an assault weapon should be available to any citizen, law abiding or otherwise. Background checks should have caught him.

 

Maybe more people should follow machinist and become a NRA member. Not with the same motive naturally, but to change it from the inside. Imagine if a shitload of sensible people who want better gun control would make this effort.

 

I suspect he's trying to be (thought) provoking again.

 

I think both examples raise the spectre of even more carnage ensuing. Can you imagine a gun battle in the midst of school children or on an airplane full of passengers?

 

Yes I can. As opposed to no gun battle being a possibility and the plane being hijacked or whatever and a school losing students having no chance at a battle that might save lives.

 

Look at other countries, (deleted). The real solution remains clear.

 

While I don't disagree, it doesn't appear we will go the way if other countries. Name call all you want just quit being a crybaby when your solution isn't the one chosen.

 

Asmo has nothing to cry about, he's living the dream across the sea

 

Yeah because all those kids were shot to death during gay weddings.

 

Gun "culture" as if we are all the same. More left wing identity politics where people cant act individually or think freely, just get lumped into a group and judged.

That is why I think this is not really the guns that people have an issue with. Its the people that own the guns and what they supposedly stand for. Just like Balbus mentioned the white male right wingers.

Lets not even talk domestic. Remember guns are for defense against foreign threat as well. Our enemies don't like that American citizens are well armed. Call me crazy. You don't know whats going on in the world. What technological capabilities powers currently have or will in the future. (This is where I am a dismissable conspiracy nut) How warfare will shape and evolve going forward.

Our current laws and what they allow are fully defensible for civillian ownership. Automatic rifles are already illegal. The 2nd amendment is not a free for all as the law already states.

Its good to debate and disagree but lets remember also it should not be an us vs them or im right youre wrong. The opposites need each other and we need to keep that in mind and acknowledge that when we disagree.

You dont have ownership on the truth, and your opinion is not objective reality.

 

I support a control on assault weapons like the AR15 type. I never said I support semi automatic weapons.

And yeah it sucks that we have to consider arming our teachers. But at least it offers a step better than where we are

 

I have nothing against a reasonable gun culture. I was raised in a perfectly reasonable gun culture where every man I knew had a shotgun. People hunted where I grew up. They had a reason to own guns.

I am talking specifically about an insane, gone completely overboard culture where people stockpile guns and rush to stockpile more the minute they hear there are more dead children as the result of a gun. I'm talking about a culture where reasonable gun control cannot be addressed in a reasonable way because the NRA has such a stronghold on US politics that people treat you like an extremist if you so much as mention stricter background checks or the reinstatement of a ban that worked fine until it expired in 2004. A gun culture where the US has the highest rate of gun violence in the first world and we're all supposed to be okay with that. A gun culture where innocent people are slaughtered again and again and again in mass shootings in the only country where it happens on a regular basis and we're all supposed to accept that because discussing gun control is "too political"

A culture where there are 101 guns for every 100 people, a rate that far exceeds any other country

Other cultures have guns and, yes, they also have white men that carry guns. It has nothing to do with being a white male although I'm not surprised the white male victim card was played here.

When examining culture it is impossible not to lump people together as a group. Thats what culture is. I have friends and family that own guns, some are responsible and some aren't and have no business owning guns. I can look at them as individuals. I have a gun in my home. I dont like it but my boyfriend does and it wasnt worth the battle. I can look at him as an individual. He's a white male too! Doesnt change the fact that our gun culture is over the top and extreme.

Responsible gun owners have a responsibility to ensure only responsible people own guns. I just have a hard time taking anyone seriously who claims to be a responsible gun owner when their first response to a mass shooting is to buy more guns.

 

More people, but not you? Go ahead and join. Journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.