After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Well, good Im glad youre fairly balanced or open minded.

Those handfull of crazies are the opposite of the handfull of crazies on the opposing end.

I could rant all day about the crazy shit people I know personally do and say, but I have to remember to come back to center.

At times it can seem like they are taking over the world, but they're really not. At the same time, be aware, learn from them, learn about yourself from them, and DONT let them send you in the extreme opposite direction.

 

Also, go back. Not ONCE did I say that me buying a gun had anything to do with the mass shooting so you can just drop that and leave it.

 

I'm not trying to personally attack you bruh. That wouldn't be allowed. Just speaking generally. Gun sales are up right now, as they always are following a mass shooting. The timing of your purchase is none of my business

Anyways I agree, hopefully both sides will be able to meet in the middle and come up with a good compromise and some reasonable legislation
Edit: one day, at least. Eventually. I'm not naive enough to think compromise will happen with this Congress

 

The Congress is politically unified in support of war actions . That killer kid with the AR-15 is the spirit
of war . Who is such a believer in power as to thank him for his service ?

 

(Edited) Enough guns around someone gets murdered. Take them away and what do you get? Australia? England?

 

It’s amazing the number of copycats that have emerged since the Florida school shooting.


Here in Massachusetts we’ve had at least 3 cases in which students threatened to shoot up their school including an 18 year old kid arrested on Monday in Taunton.

When approached by the Police he threatened to kill them with his AR-15 rifle

Mass. High School Student Threatens to 'Shoot Up' School

 

Sloooow down

 

Dude chill. Stop serial posting.

 

I just learned this...
Apparently the effectiveness of the 1994 to 2004 ban is highly debatable if not non existant. Look into it and check where you're getting your info from. The fatal flaw with the misleading stats on that ban is that they used the number 6+ deaths to constitute a mass shooting. The standard number is 4+. So they are comparing apples to oranges and saying, look it worked! When thats really not true because the numbers were fudged.

 

Well it's been 31 years since this guard and yes it went a little haywire but 30 years none the less of improvements. I say we give the ED-209 another chance.

 

Someone ought make a meme out of that.

MY SOLUTION TO GUN CONTROL

and then have that robocop scene where it malfunctions and shoots up the place with over powered over the top weaponry systems.

 

I thought i was pretty mild. But you call crybaby in return so come on: who is whining about being called something innocent here lol. I can take it. You apparently not

Anyway, your country doesn't have to become like mine where it comes to guns. You can keep your gun culture just fine.
All people arguing for better gun control have been reasonable in that regard. If one is responsible they can have plenty of guns and even use them.

It's still clear if we look at other western countries where the solution lies.

Not sure how selective you have perceived all the people who are fed up with this lunatic gun shootings but no, most of them really think its the too easy access to certain kind of guns.

So, it would be a good start if the age for buying semi-automatic guns would be raised to 21. And a ban on those bump stocks things. It's likely neither of these 'considerations of your president' will become real. For a large part because of the crazy power of the NRA. Which are nasty bribers and everybody should have a problem with that. Not just left wingers as you often like to put it.

 

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Many people here have ranted and raved that they need guns so they can kill police officers if they feel the need

Well I for one don’t think it is ‘all’ the NRA’s fault (you should not project your own black and white thinking on to others)

But it has to be pointed out that the NRA are the biggest lobbying group for the gun manufacturers and put a lot of time and energy into stopping prudent gun control regulation.

 

Mach

The point I keep making is that the US has a problem with ease of access to guns, the ease of access is the cause of the huge number of gun related deaths in the US compared with other comparable countries.

The problem I have with those opposing prudent gun control is that they don’t have any rational or reasonable arguments to back up their stance.

What I’ve highlighted is that most of the people opposing prudent gun control seem to be on the right, even the far right, in US politics and that US right wing ideology seems to have a major part to play in that stance.

You should be able to understand that from what I’ve written but if you need me to explain it to you in even more simple terms I’ll try.

Sorry but yes you do sound like a conspiracy nut.

Who says ‘we’ don’t know what is going on in the world – have you some source of information nobody else has?

What you seem to be saying is that you want the ease of access to guns to carry on and you don’t care about the huge numbers of deaths it causes because you have this vague fear of the future that you can’t really explain in any rational or reasonable way.

Sorry but that sound like your personal paranoia is getting in the way of you thinking clearly or compassionately.

Did you watch the NRA propaganda video and see Wayne LaPierre speech, they’re all about propagating a ‘them and us’ mentality.

I’ve talked to many people opposed to prudent gun control and their stance is often than not the same – valid criticisms and arguments for prudent gun control are not discussed on their merits but dismissed because they are presented by a gun hating liberal whose true objective is to destroy freedom and liberty.

But those advocating prudent gun control do have rational and reasonable arguments as to why such gun control is needed in the US – the gun lobby doesn’t have anything to support its position beyond ‘we don’t want it because we don’t want it’ go through this thread and any other gun issue thread on this forum and you’ll see it’s the same thing.

 

Couldn't have worded it better.

 

Since Mach seems unable or unwilling to answer the question I’ll throw it open to any of the gun lobby who claim they have guns specifically or in part to ‘defend America’ from a ‘bad’ government.

When would they start killing police officers?

One answer I’ve had before is -

But since no one here has said people can't still have guns - just not all types of guns - would they still kill police officer if they just came for certain guns like the AR-15’s or any gun that could be loaded with more than 6 bullets (as has been suggested) would it only be when it was ALL guns?

So when?

 

How about never. LEO's are a cross section of society in general, and if asked to go door to door confiscating firearms, the revolt would start right there with them refusing to do it. Same can be said about our military.

 

So why did you post that pic in the School Shooting in Broward County, FL thread then?

 

Not sure where in the world this has become about white men that own guns. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of blacks and Latinos etc that own guns. In fact they commit crimes with them, just like white men do.

So examining a culture isn't a one group vs another in black and white. There is more than one culture when it comes to the discussion of the right to bear arms and who and who should not own what.. If this were as easy as lumping it into 2 cultures it would have been solved already. There are plenty of Democrats that own firearms as we saw when one opened fire at the Republicans in the West Va shooting on the ball field. Yet where was the outcry about that culture?

Then there is the culture of what guns fits into what category etc etc etc. I do not like some gun owners yet they are completely legal in their rights and beliefs. If you try to lump me with them, then I will have a problem with you. This is part of the problem. Nobody wants to see the places in between the extremes.

Yes I do agree with you that "Responsible gun owners have a responsibility to ensure only responsible people own guns." If they'd let us act upon that, there would be far less problems with irresponsible or illegal gun owners.

 

Call it what you want if that makes you feel better.