After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 15, 2018.

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  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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  2. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes, I'll take one or two, please. (just not mine. Maybe yours.)
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    A fench and some barbed wire perhaps.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Okay six. I don't think it'll matter much. But as you're coming up with your own scenario to counter mine, I'll add another shooter armed the same with body armor.

    We can do this all night.

    But I'm not arguing that getting rid of assault weapons is the only thing we can do, I'm arguing that it's the most rational and easiest thing we can do to make these episodes less lethal.
    And I haven't said there shouldn't be armed security guards in schools, I taught in one, just not armed teachers.
    Somewhere around here I researched and posted the cost of supplying armed guards in every school in the U.S., look it up.

    Of course other things can be done, we need a multiple approach. We all know we have societal and individual problems, mental health problems, wealth disparagement, bullying, racism, drugs, gangs, etc.

    But arming teachers as a first step, and probably the only step, is just stupid. It's a cheap ass simplistic way out and it'll sell more guns $$$$
     
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  5. Meliai

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    Jesus. Christ.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Why does it have to be one or the other?
     
  7. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I wonder if my local bakery would bake me n AR-15 cake. If not, I’ll sue for discrimination
     
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  8. storch

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    Who told you that that's a legal gun?
     
  9. mcme

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    gun-cake.jpg They'll make it.
     
  10. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    The school board has scheduled an all-afternoon meeting . Some local war vets have an educational proposal
    to present and demonstrate : Familiarity with Weapons and Live-fire for Children . I hear this will include their
    cannon actually blowing up something (the one they fire for football touchdowns) .
     
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  11. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    More of the same shit. Kids with guns. Blow stuff up.

    Yeehaa. Awesome.
     
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  12. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    If you like being laughed at in your face (and you sound more and more like you do on these issues) please do!

    Some say "Everything is allowed in love and war". I would say "Everything is allowed in art and baked goods" :)

    edit: slight nuance: except being dishonest on the ingredient list naturally
     
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  13. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    LOL well not as big a hardon that some gun owners seem to have for their guns.

    So you partially answer the question - yes – you want guns so you can kill law enforcement officers if you so desire.

    To kill those you don’t like if they don’t do as you wish.

    You need guns as a means of threating anyone with death if things don’t go your way.

    But the question still stands – when would you start killing the police officers and your enemies?

    You’ve admitted you would do so now can you tell me when exactly that would happen, what would be the trigger?
     
  14. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    This is a bit garbled – but let’s see - you don’t want to ban assault rifles because although they have the potential to kill lots of people they haven’t done that much killing so far?

    Thing is that saying you don’t care about ‘little’ things like Parkland and Las Vegas etc etc etc and that to you having easy access to assault rifles is more important that those lives lost, it isn’t a rational or reasonable argument it just comes across as selfish and callous.
     
  15. Balbus

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    So let’s recap – your stance (and that of many others in the gun lobby) is that you want easy access to very dangerous guns in your society because you want them yourself so you have the ability to threaten your ‘enemies’ with death and so you don’t care about the collateral damage done to people and your society because of that stance.

    That doesn’t come across as rational it comes across as deeply paranoid and narcissistic.
     
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    Sorry the fact is that in the US the demographic for gun ownership leans to white male and right wing

    And it is mainly that group that are most vocal in opposing prudent gun control

    But for me it is the right wing trait that seems to be the most significant element in opposing gun control (an old survey found that some 80% of gun owners who say they belong to the NRA identify as having a right wing political viewpoint, I’m guessing that is higher amongst the active membership these days)

    And as explained this seems to be connected to a certain right wing ideology that is prevalent in the US.
     
  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    True, it depends on the local jurisdiction. As far as federal law it's legal as far as I can tell.
    No federal law against buying an AR 15, 100 round magazine, and a bump stock and then combining them together, as far as I know.
    For example this set up is legal in Las Vegas (909 injured and dead in 10 minutes at 490 yards).

    There are several states and cities that ban high capacity magazines.
    Two states ban bump stocks.
    I believe the AR 15 is legal in all states although California has some restrictions.

    The problem is this stuff can be bought in one place and then it can be transported anywhere very easily as there is no federal law prohibiting that action.
     
  18. tikoo

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    Well , I believe the theory of letting children to be near and hear gunshots is mostly to lessen
    anxiety and hysteria . Respect comes from reality . I think at the meeting I'll offer to bring the dog
    and the possum to school . This would be a lesson in playing dead .

    Possum fools that dog every time . It's funny .
     
  19. 6-eyed shaman

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    Rather than force teachers to be armed, or force schools to be gun free zones. How about letting the schools make that decision? And let the parents decide what schools to send their children to.

    Give more people freedom of choice, rather than allow the political elite to tell us what is best for us.
     
  20. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Right on, 6. So far it appears most of the people that are in some way connected to schools (parents, students, teachers, etc.) seem to crave better gun control.
     
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