After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. Sig

    Sig Senior Member

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    As are semi-automatic pistols (and their variants). See Virginia Tech and Columbine.

    Incorrect. They are, more often than not, the weapon of choice for predator and hog hunting.

    Incorrect. ARs, at least those chambered in 556, are compact, easy to maneuver in confined spaces, and extremely precise.

    Incorrect. Even with a bumpstock, a semi-automatic will not become fully automatic.
     
  2. Sig

    Sig Senior Member

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    I know three personally.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Oh, I agree automatic pistols should be more highly regulated. I vote for a six round limit.

    Oh, bull dicky with the hunting baloney. If you need an assault weapon to hunt hogs something's wrong. How many hunters were killed by hogs in the U.S. last year?
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    An AR 15 isn't needed for home defense. It's a long gun. If you want to use a long gun a shotgun is a much better choice for home defense.

    I know a bump stock doesn't use the same principle as an automatic weapon, never the less a bump stock outfitted assault weapon can achieve a fire rate of 400 to 800 rounds a minute.
    The fire rate of an automatic assault rifle is 600 to 900 rounds a minute.

    I used the term automatic loosely as you don't have to pull the trigger for each round to be fired.
     
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  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I know hundreds, don't know any that want to pack a gun in school.
     
  5. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I know right? How would we possibly know if an armed faculty will reduce the occurrence, and minimize the impact of school shootings if it’s never tried ?

    I’m glad you agree with me on this.

    This way you can take your children to the gun free zone, and shelter them from kids in families with different points of view like mine. Nobody will force us to chose what schools to send our kids.
     
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  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    What brings you to this assumption?

    Soul, you think that gender is entirely a social construct. You believe that a man asking a woman out for drinks is in the realm of sexual harassment. And now you’re saying that people with concealed weapons (teachers specifically) are going to kill themselves?

    I’m sorry, but you do not strike me as a very intelligent person :(
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Lol Is that the only way you can pretend to hold a reasonable argument? Besides making one-liners where you chronically confuse the concepts thought provoking with provoking.
    Disappointing.
     
  8. NotMyRealName

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    These school killings need to stop.

    Since we can't seem to find a way to stop a kid that shouldn't be owning one in the first place, we need to find a way to find room for change that limits who can buy them.

    So we limit the availability of AR-15s. Its a little price to pay in the scheme of the argument. Take them away. We ahve plenty of other guns to choose from. I'd rather license them. You need a Class III to have fully auto. Go get that license if you want to own it. Same for an AR style. Not that big a sacrifice. Until we can put an end to the loose regulations that allow a sick kid to buy one legally, we need to do better at what they can get a hold of. Then when the school shooting happens and its with a deer rifle, they can go yell at the deer hunters about what guns they need to use.


    We had ours like 2 days after the shooting. They proposed immediate action of establishing 3 armed School safety officers at each school. We have 3. They also showed us a neat door barricading system that take seconds to deploy and makes a door virtually impossible to open unless they can somehow cut through it.

    Those actions were a simple reallocation of already existing funds from school resources and the local PD. They said that they will look into other measures but that any additional measures would require funding and a vote to approve.

    Great observations on your educational proficiency ratings. Trace that back to how those policies came to be and you start to discover the rest of the decline in America.
     
  9. scratcho

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    That was a cult in which little girls were being fucked by the cult leader. The cattle issue--he refused to pay the agreed upon price for grazing--he wanted it free. The government COULD have done it differently, for sure. But Koresh was about like Jim Jones and as a result--------
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    But wait...
    Veteran Lithia Springs High teacher shoots self at school; classes canceled
    Atlanta teacher shoots himself in classroom | Daily Mail Online
    Georgia teacher arrested after firing gun at Dalton High School, police say - CNN
    Utah teacher shoots herself in the leg while at school
     
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  11. soulcompromise

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    No, suicide-by-teacher, as in suicide-by-cop.
     
  12. Moonglow181

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    That photo is disgusting and any like it are,as well. I see many of them with people and their murdered deer in the newspapers often enough around here.

    That guy is the real swine, pig....gross, disgusting excuse for a man....Nothing spiritual about that at all.

    "Hey, me a real he man . I can kill something with my weapons..."

    Asshole.
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I tried hunting once with a bow. Had a clear shot at a deer about 15 feet away, I couldn't have missed, but I put the arrow in the ground just so I could say I went hunting once and took a shot. And I got my arrow back.

    But, I have nothing against hunting if it's for food.
    Not for sport or trophy hunting though. I can't understand the pleasure some people take in killing other beings.
    When they tell me it's for the sport, or the hunt or something like that I tell them to use a camera.
     
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    Since you brought it up

    Suicide by gun accounts for about half of all suicides

    Suicides are often overlooked when discussing firearms

    FastStats
     
  15. Moonglow181

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    For starvation food is one thing...for defending yourself is one thing, too...as it is either you or them....but....yes,,,,take the life of something to smile there like a real asshole big shot and show off your kill......There is no need for that....and the fat hunters around here are not starving. they love to kill.
     
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    If they're actually using the animal amd eating the meat I don't see a problem

    Its better than buying factory raised meat from the store

    But yeah, game hunters disgust me
     
  17. Moonglow181

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    It is total lack of respect or feeling for any animal that would be feeding them, if that is what it is for...Standing there like that with their trophy. I am not impressed at all.
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

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    Fair enough. And you’ve provided evidence of teachers misfiring a gun or acting like maniacs.

    Realistically this would be like pulling up a bunch of articles where armed professionals like police, security, and military having a screw-up with a gun, or killing themselves with the guns they’re employed to use. And then making the argument that these people shouldn’t be trusted with guns. I can find gobs of news articles like that.

    I’m still in favor of letting schools decide if they want to arm teachers or not. And letting parents decide which schools to send their kids. If the public feels that teachers are too inept to handle a gun, give them a psychiatric evaluation and raise their salaries if they wish to qualify.

    I find that anti-gunners are just as stubborn as gun hoarders and NRA members. Can you think of a better way to compromise than letting schools pick their gun policy, and allow which schools parents send their kids?
     
  19. 6-eyed shaman

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    Plus, I’ve never understood why people with socialistic values have such contempt for gun ownership. Socialism and communism are all about equalizing the populace, and guns are the great equalizer in giving the weak and defenseless an equal chance against the strong and powerful who prey upon them.
     
  20. machinist

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    MeAgain, this might be harsh, but you are practically irrelevant in this conversation.

    How many times does it need to be said. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. The second amendment is not about home self defense.

    And again. FBI stats. All rifles combined, that includes ARs and all the other rifles. They kill 1/4th as many people as knives. They kill 1/8th as many people as handguns.

    I'm going to work on my next post.
     
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