After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Technically you're correct, the 2nd was designed to allow well regulated militias to be established to provide protection of the federal, state, and local governments, as the federal government didn't have a large standing army. The well regulated militias could protect against foreign interference or its own citizens, such as when Washington used well regulated militias to put down the Whiskey Rebellion in Western PA.

    But today we have a large standing army and militias are largely unnecessary. In any case any militia must be well regulated and under governmental control.

    An AR 15 is certainly an assault weapon, one among others.

    Banning certain things is absolutely American. Thousands of things are banned. Lawn darts for instance.

    Your idea isn't new. It's basically the way machine guns are handled. Tax the shit out of them, drive up the price, limit the production, purchase and selling, record all guns and owners at the federal level.
    That's what I've been saying.
     
  2. MeAgain

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    Oh, my mistake...I'm for highly regulated and elimination of the vast majority.
     
  3. MeAgain

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    Who said anything about automatic pistols? Those things are incredibly rare.


    And I assume you, with no doubt loads of hunting experience, know better? Shall I find a picture of a person hunting hogs with an AR variant? That seems to be the going rate to prove a point with you.

    AR variants, when used for hunting hogs and predators, provide a lightweight and extremely accurate option with which to shoot.

    You're wrong on this one, and I suspect it's because you're getting confused by terminology. A shotgun is also considered a long gun. In terms of home defense, an AR is a much better choice. Lighter, compact, easier to operate, easier to place rounds where you want them to go, etc...

    And in doing so, you sacrifice loads of accuracy. With a bump stock you still have to pull the trigger multiple times. They actually reduce the ability of the shooter to put accurate rounds on target.
     
  5. Asmodean

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    Lol @ feeling a good hunter when believing handling hogs is done best with an AR15!
     
  6. Sig

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    They do need to stop, however your strategy isn't going to stop them. Infact, I won't even put a dent in the number of dead. Your solution is completely nonsensical and cowardly.
     
  7. Sig

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    You hunt wild hogs?
     
  8. Asmodean

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    With bare hands ;)
     
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    Bet you do. ;)
     
  10. Asmodean

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    I'm also maintaining the conviction that the most rewarding battles are up close and personal, without any gun ;)

    [​IMG]

    To be sure: I'm also pragmatic and not eager to go anytime soon :D
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Sorry, I meant semi auto pistols.

    I'm sure people hunt with AR 15 weapons, my point is there isn't any need for them to do so.
    Are you suggesting that if all AR15 type weapons were to disappear from the face of the Earth no one would hunt hogs anymore?

    I know a shotgun is a long gun. My point is you don't need an assault weapon for home defense, there are lots of other very good options.

    I'm so tired of this stupid bump stock argument. But let's review again. Las Vegas, 909 injured, 58 of them dead in 10 minutes, from 490 yards. Weapon...AR 15 with bump stock. You don't have to aim. As this guy demonstrated.
     
  12. Okiefreak

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    One practical administrative problem with it is that public schools in the United States tend to be organized on a district basis, governed by a local school board, and are supported by taxes in that district. Students aren't free to go to just any public school they like if it happens to be in a different district, because some districts would be overwhelmed, and they'd have to be some way of sorting out the revenue and enrollment shifts. Does your plan envision a school board designating different schools within the district as armed or gun free? Would that be required by federal or state law/? What would happen if a school board simply opted to have all the same, one way or another, within its boundaries? Would parents who wanted to attend an armed or gun free school in another district be allowed to do so? How would the schools prevent certain districts from being overwhelmed, and parents from using this as a ruse to put their kids in better-funded, higher quality schools (or predominantly white ones) in another district? Also, school boards are required to comply with standards for school integration, and would have to make sure that shifts in enrollment at particular schools within the district did not result in re-segregation of races. At the secondary level in most districts there is only one high school, so choice would require somehow letting students from one district attend the school of their choice in another district.
     
  13. MeAgain

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    This is the old school choice thingy. Doesn't work if for no other reason than logistics.
     
  14. machinist

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    Trump said that. But one detail you left out: he said it about people with mental cases.
     
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    You just made that up.
     
  16. machinist

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    Its kind of amazing I make it clear in my first idea post what I want and then people read it and get something completely different out of it even though its all right there plainly.
     
  17. Idlewild

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    Trump said it, but how is that a "fascist statement?"
     
  18. scratcho

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    I would think that to advocate an unlawful action that clearly requires a lawful action would be or could be fascistic. I'm no lawyer.
     
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  19. Asmodean

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    Which are the people committing mass shootings (have been 8 already this year) and should not have easy access to guns, let alone semi-automatic guns.
     
  20. Asmodean

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    Its called triggerhappy. You're not doing reasonable gun lovers a favor with posts like this. But carry on :D
     
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  21. Asmodean

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    In theory it can sound so very easy. In reality it is clearly not.
     
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