After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

I am not suggesting that. I'm simply saying, when it comes to hunting that sort of game (hogs and preds), ARs are arguably the most effective rifle you could use.

You have yet to provide examples regarding why you believe they are ineffective, or at least less effective, than these other options you speak of. I've provided reasons why they are superior to shotguns.

Fair enough on bumpstocks. The thing is, given a crowd the size of the Vegas one, you wouldn't have had to really aim with a simple semi-automatic AR either.

 

Not exactly, but it came out wrong. It should have read "ARs kill people more efficiently." Guns and knives kill more people--less efficiently.

 

Yep. In some cases, the dangerous people aren't reported. In other cases, it's not followed up on. We also had police officers that didn't engage the shooter. There are too many opportunities for innaction.

That's why the only solution is the banning of assault style rifles.

 

Radical situations demand radical solutions. Israel apparently has laws that require armed guards at schools. Equally as apparent--it must work. I suppose if those that were entrusted with firearms were stationed at schools and were vetted to the nth degree---a temporary use of firearms might work until huge dollars were put into mental health personnel in EVERY school in the land. Not gonna' happen with repubs in office. Shame it's come to this point.

 

Ok. That doesnt mean we ban ARs. If you are jumping in to back up the other person I was talking with.

 

You are suggesting that if someone has a gun and witnesses a mass shooting occur that they do not terminate the aggressor. How?

 

Its really amazing how people can read one thing and make a leap and reply with something else completely off the wall.

 

Not exactly what I said, or ment.

Indeed LOL

 

If I may ask what is it that makes an AR a more efficient people killer than say a pump action shotgun, a revolver or a chainsaw? All 4 can only do what the person holding them makes them do, and only as proficiently as the holder is able.

 

I like the following example from psychology today. It talks a little bit about what things were designed to do if I remember correctly. Talking about proximate vs. whatever the opposite of proximate is...

 

Simple. An AR with a 50 round clip can squeeze off more rounds from farther away and do more damage more quickly with less skill.

They don't have to get close and can miss a lot and still do a lot of damage.

Is this a trick question?

 

Sorry... forgot to link the article "Guns Don’t Kill People, People Do?"

 

Yep, the Las Vegas massacre shooter was across the highway firing an AR-15 with a bump stock. He couldn't have carried out his attack with a chainsaw or shotgun or anything else.

 

"Its gonna be great! Believe me!"

 

A gun nut will feel at home in the school that allows guns. He'll just walk in with his AR, select his targets, first take out the armed teacher, and then kill all the kids.

 

Unless, of course, if he couldn't get a gun in the first place.

 

Anybody can get a gun. If they can't pass a background check, all they need to do is buy it from a private seller. Or they can buy parts and make their own.

 

So let me get this straight. You want a better system to stop people from shooting. The president suggest that if someone appears to have mental problems and we want to take their weapons until such time as the due process decides that, you want to call him a facist.

Now I see why there will never be any progress made at all ever. Your hatred for Trump outweighs trying to eliminate a source of senseless killing of children.

Great priority system.

If someone is accused of domestic violence, they very often have to turn in weapons until due process takes place. Yet you don't bitch about that LAW that is in effect.

So much for trying to figure out how to prevent another shooting. It's back to hating Trump.

 

In a related story, "An Illinois police officer and his wife were shot dead at Central Michigan University in Mount Pleasant this morning."

If only he had a gun to protect himself and his wife. Oh, wait...

 

The AR15 combines range, capacity and rapid fire power. A chain saw is unwieldy and requires close contact. The AR15 has similar advantages over a revolver, even one with a speed loader. As for the (semi-auto) shotgun, the AR still has faster followup shots that can be fired one-handed, and a modular platform capable of customization. But if other weapons are as efficient or more efficient in killing lots of people in a short time, maybe we should consider restricting (not banning or confiscating) those as well. And if ARs have no advantages over the others, why the concern about restricting them?

 

I can't speak for Meagain, but he was replying to a post by Machinist defining a fascist as "someone who wants to take guns away." I think Meagain was just savoring the irony. Trump had a "constructive meeting" with the NRA after that comment, and I suspect is now back on the reservation.