After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Somebody is far far far far more likely to get killed on your street by a knife or a handgun than an AR.

    I think people take for granted how stable American society is and how delicately balanced it is. Guns keep us safe. Guns keep a civilized society civilized. We are not on our way toward a utopia by imposing restrictions on our birth right as Americans to own guns.
     
  2. Noserider

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    Oh absolutely. There's a bus stop a few blocks from where I live where someone is killed almost monthly. That's why own firearms. And, frankly, after the Florida shooting, I've decided to go for my concealed carry license.

    The point I was making was, if some people need ARs where they live and some don't, would we be open to restricting sales of certain firearms to certain locales? If you live in a cabin in bear country, you, sir, get to buy an AR! But if you live in a Leave it to Beaver type neighborhood, why would you need one?
     
  3. machinist

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    Very simple answer. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. The 2nd amendment is not about self defense.

    Should we restrict Jeep Wrangler sales to only areas with unpaved roads and rough country? Not a perfect analogy, but you can see what I'm getting at. Who are you to say "you don't need that."
     
  4. Okiefreak

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    Are you now off the pills with no noticeable behavior problems? Based on my non-expert take from what I see and read, I suspect you're correct that (1) ADHD is way over-diagnosed in male kids; (2) Big Pharma encourages this approach for profit; and (3) some teachers and school administrators may perceive normal male behavior as hyperactivity. I think it's also true that women I know feel threatened by male anger, and may perceive even a raised voice as "inappropriate". I live with one, and find it occasionally maddening. On the other hand, I have a couple of friends who suffer from ADHD, and when they're off their meds, they're bouncing off the walls and have difficulty tracking. Is that simply withdrawal from an addictive drug? I don't think so.

    The part of your post I'd take issue with is : "Cultural Marxists have declared war on "toxic masculinity" by putting young children on behavior controlling drugs at a very early age." This hyperbolic phrasing conveys the notion of a conspiracy that has little or no foundation. Marxism has nothing to do with this issue.If anything, your gripe should be with radical feminism of the kind espoused by Shulasmith Firestone, Ti-Grace Atkinson, etc. Even then, the notion that all this is the result of a plot sound somewhat paranoid, and could feed into misguided political responses that perpetuate a "battle of the sexes". There are certainly ideological extremists on the radical feminist side that we need to watch out for and challenge, but I'm skeptical of trying to counter extremist rhetoric with other extremist rhetoric. Your statements are a more strident version of the thesis presented in conservative-libertarian philosopher Christina Hoff Summers' The War Against Boys, My admittedly male bias leads me to agree with her conclusion that" the energy, competitiveness, and corporal daring of normal, decent males is responsible for much of what is right in the world". But what we should be working toward is balance, not counter-extremism.
     
  5. Okiefreak

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    You've said this often before. What, pray tell, is the Second Amendment about?
     
  6. Noserider

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    An American citizen.

    The Constitution is a fluid document. It was written as such by our Founding Fathers who were smart enough to realize they weren't smart enough. It is meant to adapt over time to the will of the people and the cultural climate. You think Jefferson foresaw the type of weaponry we have today?

    The Constitution answers to us; not the other way around. It can be changed through the Democratic process. I'm sorry, but this, "Yeah, but the Second Amendment" argument is so weak. This is a Democracy. Our government is fluid as it should be. We need to stop treating it as something rigid like religious dogma.
     
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    Actually its not a democracy its a constitutional republic. A democracy is two wolves and a lamb trying to figure out whats for dinner.

    Your arguments are old and worn out and have been debunked. Im not going to waste my time going through it again.
     
  8. Noserider

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    We have a Democratic process. You know what I meant. Do be that guy.

    Oh. You are that guy.

    Smell ya later, homie
     
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  9. machinist

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    Dont you know the pledge of allegiance... "and to the republic, for which it stands" Its not "democracy." Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding whats for dinner. Thats terrifying subjecting us to the whims of the masses.
     
  10. machinist

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    Haha, ok. Typical. Cant argue with me so write me off with some label and put me down with a judgement and just stop talking to me. Fine with me. Not surprising at all either. Falls right into the formula. Ironic too since you are supposedly soooo open minded and anti dogmatic.
     
  11. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Even after I gave you a compliment... what the hell lol
     
  12. Asmodean

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    Lol
     
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  13. machinist

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    You know what Ralph Waldo Emerson said. If todays words contradict yesterdays... is it so bad to be misunderstood. To be misunderstood is to be great.


    Nit pick away.
     
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    You made this statement..."Does this guy look like he supports "authoritarianism"?" Trump is promoting a lifetime appointment for POTUS. THAT THAT THAT IS POLARIZING! THAT IS AUTHORITARIANISM! It's the cons that have been polarizing this country...like Hatch saying that liberals that like healthcare are idiots...and Tramp saying that liberals that don't applaud for his SOTU speech are traitors...and like the NRA saying democrats are trying to take your guns....look who is trying to take away your guns, TRAMP!....And like the GOP saying that the dems want to spend YOUR money...Tramp just added $1.5 trillion to the national debt, and gave it to corporations! Raygun tripled the national debt, Shrub daddy doubled it again in only four years, Clinton actually balanced the budget, and Shrub Jr. destroyed it on only six months WITH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS & SENATE, then doubled the debt again with lies about Iraq having yellow cake to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and also destroyed the economy with real estate deregulation

    YEAH, I GOT A FUKING PROBLEM....IT'S CALLED THE GOP CON!
    This is not trolling, it's exposing the CON B.S.!
     
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    Several people? Well that settles it . . .

    From the International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine:

    Evidence from many sources confirms that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) commonly cause or exacerbate a wide range of abnormal mental and behavioral conditions. These adverse drug reactions include the following overlapping clinical phenomena: a stimulant profile that ranges from mild agitation to manic psychoses, agitated depression, obsessive preoccupations that are alien or uncharacteristic of the individual, and akathisia (a state of agitation, distress, and restlessness that is an occasional side-effect of antipsychotic and antidepressant drugs). Each of these reactions can worsen the individual’s mental condition and can result in suicidality, violence, and other forms of extreme abnormal behavior. Evidence for these reactions is found in clinical reports, controlled clinical trials, and epidemiological studies in children and adults.

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    Just like milk.
     
  17. Noserider

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    I don't get.

    You say you're not going to waste your time arguing with me and then get triggered because I stopped talking to you?
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  18. NotMyRealName

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    So is this thread about the 8 shootings in schools or the fucking problem of the Trump haters that are going to have a STROKE if he passes some gun control measures that might help with this threads topic?

    I'm pretty sure they have about 6 other Trump hating threads already started you can go whine in.
     
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    Has nothing to do with living to be killed by them. They cause LOTS of property damage across America. Including killing 2 of our pretty expensive guard dogs and completely and repeatedly destroying our drainage systems. Many states have eradication programs aimed at just the wild hog population. They are smart, reproduce like crazy, and aren't that easy to get rid of as if you bait them, other additional animals will die from eating the same baits.

    I don't live in a neighborhood where somebody got shot right down the street as we learned when you joined this thread. Just because I don't live like you, doesn't mean I will decide how you will protect yourself for what you feel you need to.

    Here is an example of how they have to deal with hogs. This is more wooded than the ones I witnessed, our land is more open but this is more towards what I have seen for hunts. Its done at night from a pretty far distance away and yeah this video does use an AR style rifle for hunting them. While it may not be the weapon I'd use, it does show that they do a pretty good job at addressing wild hogs.

    No way in hell I want to to this with a 6 shooter and a Bow & Arrow.

     
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  20. rjhangover

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    He asked me what my fuking prblem was....so told him....none of your business.....so butt out and get some cheese and crackers for your own whine.
     
  21. NotMyRealName

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    This is a public forum I'm pretty sure. Answered in a public forum. You could have responded to him in private. You could after all just ignore him. Certainly wouldn't bother me if you did. You chose neither.
     
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