After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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I already did several pages back. About a week ago. Only like two people responded to it, and both of them apparently read and interpreted something completely different from what I actually wrote.

 

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Oh calm down man don’t have a hissy fit

Look I’m sorry mate but your posts are often very difficult to read you said –

‘I lived in London myself for a time. Earlier than this posting by about 15 years’

This not that or your but this – you seem to be getting at someone’s English earlier but hey I’m not bothered

As I said you didn’t explain yourself very well so I took it to be your posting - but I think you are now saying you actually meant the post I’d done some ten years ago – is that what you actually mean to say?

That would put it some 25 years ago that you lived in London is that correct?

If so that would have been 1993 long after the IRA most active phase (70’s-80’s) and as I say the Good Friday agreement was signed in 1998.

And you thought that time was a ‘war zone’ with hundreds being killed – again this doesn’t seem to back up your claim, I was living full time in London at that time and it wasn’t like that, unless you were living in some other alternative mirror world London LOL.

In what way did I change it – oh you mean the thing about me calling it murder and you wanting to call it something like execution or justified – as I said it still mean the police you shoot at would be dead.

LOL - So is the faux righteous indignation the way you are choosing to get about of having to address the criticism of your stance

Well ease of access to gun doesn’t seem to be working out great does it?

 

Look up on youtube: Steven Crowder 2nd amendment muskets only.

 

Farmerdon made reference to a link that included information about the effects of SSRIs on behavior, specifically aggression, suicidal thoughts, and violence. Your rebuttal to that was your assurance that you know several people on psychiatric drugs who are doing just fine. You further declared that his examples are a case of blaming the drug for the conduct of the person without any proof, and that such a comparison was equivalent to blaming milk for such behavior. So I showed you that the FDA had required the manufacturer of Prozac to add suicidal thoughts and violent behavior to the Reports section of its label, and that both the British Committee on the Safety of Medicines and the FDA issued warnings about increased rates of self-harm and suicidal behavior to those exposed to Paxil. I also showed you that the manufacturer of Effexor warned about the increased risk of hostility, suicidal thoughts, and self-harm. Beyond that, I showed you that the British National Formulary listed suicidal thoughts and violent behavior as side effects of Fluoxetine.

We could delve into the issue of how many mass shooters were taking, or withdrawing from, such drugs, but like you say, this thread is about school shooting. However, if you make a statement implying that there is as much evidence for milk being the cause of violent behavior and suicidal thoughts than there is for psychiatric drugs being the culprit, then you can expect someone to show you otherwise.

 

I do think that the media does need to stop using the names and faces of these mass shooters. Ben Shapiro has implemented that on his show. It will be too big an ask for the mainstream though because they love blowing it up as big as they can and grabbing everyones attention. The exact same reason they should stop using the shooters name and face.

On another note..... What ever happened to US Postal workers flipping out and going on rampages? Was that just a phase?

 

So sparky, you want to make this hard we can do so. You do not state in any of your responses or proposed exceptions that you even understood what constituted Trespassing. In the examples you cited, how did these police officers approach me to ask these questions? Did they enter my home because I opened the door? Did I even open the door? Did they call me from the locked gate at the head of my driveway or did they climb over that gate? I used the term Trespassing. I know what it means when it happens.

If left unmodified you'd assume your understanding in your world was the same as the rest of the world. Therefore your world was the only world that was right. I can stand by my original answers. Then I have to spend how long explaining to you what trespassing means? In fact it may differ where you are from I am. Hence the qualifiers. Perhaps, and as was evidenced in your response, you did not know what the CD was or how it is perceived from one state to the next. Hence my reason for YOU to UNDERSTAND BETTER that we might live in a different world of Property Ownership Rights.

I have no problem standing by my original response knowing full well what it stated. You were the one that added someone coming to steal my cupcakes is I think it was stated. An obvious attempt at trying to trivialize Trespassing from the original scenario being posed before you. Telling me how I could or could not respond to an act of Trespassing. Like you needed to educate me somehow. Don't need your assist, so thanks but no thanks.

If it makes you feel better, call it hyperbole all ya like. The founding fathers also understood what crooked meant.

So the Cops that beat down Rodney King crooked or not? The Cops that tried to round up blacks in the 60s. Crooked or not? The Governor they worked for. Crooked or not? The president that told us there were weapons of mass destruction and he had to protect us from them. Crooked or not?

Or can you not see your way clear to make those calls because you need to talk about it for 6 years?

 

Good question. I came across this article that says it was "updated" June 30, 2017 that refers to the "going postal" phenomenon but seems to be about workplace violence in general. It's Official: Going Postal Is Epidemic
One passage caught my eye:
"Experts believe the availability of firearms (75 percent of these incidents involve guns) combined with work-related stress, smaller workforce, decreasing wages and the loss of job security are the main contributors to the violence.
The most common thread among those employees, who become violent, is a change of status in their employment. Situations such as a change in a shift, an unfavorable review, a decrease in hours, a cancelled contract, or permanent separation are examples of what triggers an unstable employee to commit murder." So I'm wondering if the earlier problems in the US Postal Service led to policy changes in working conditions that led to improvements in the circumstances triggering the violence. I know the Postal Service studied the problem extensively, because I once watched a video on workplace violence put out by the Postal Service--something that drew chuckles from my co-workers (not in the Postal Service) watching the film, considering the source.

The latest incident I could find in the Postal Service was in Columbus, Ohio, December 23, 2017: DeShaune Stewart murdered two colleagues, his supervisor and the postmistress. "Enraged naked postal worker goes on killing spree, police say". Fox News. December 24, 2017.Note the date: two days before Christmas, when postal workers are under more pressure than usual. According to a Commission formed to study the problem,"Going Postal" in the Postal Service is a myth--i.e., workplace violence is even higher in other retail occupations (0.22 per 100,000 versus 0.77 per 100,000 workers in general), . Commission: 'Going Postal' Is a Myth But the postal incidents have been more dramatic, multiple incidents occurring during a particualr time frame, and caught the attention of the media.

 

I am reading Jordan Peterson's new book. It has a chapter on the philosophy behind the Columbine shooters. JP is highly controversial right now. He is fucking awesome. Formerly Harvard and U of Toronto psychology professor that blew onto the scene when he cried foul when Canada passed C16 FORCING people to use people's preferred gender pronouns which are just ridiculous made up bullshit end of story we wont get into that here.

I wonder if its the tension between right and left that causes kids to shoot up schools. The left has everyone believing they are victims and they deserve everything handed to them on a silver platter and lifes not fair. Not hard to imagine how when that philosophy meets reality it can lead to a lot of resentment and depression.

 

I don't think kids are all that aware of politics to be honest. Half the time you see them with their nose buried in a cell phone which is presumably logged into instagram or facebook or twitter. I don't know that they're tuned into the the left and right of things; at least I wasn't.

 

So the reason we own firearms has to be the same as yours?

 

Man...Brave of you to go there. I was wondering if that would go unconsidered?

POPCORN PLEASE

 

Hi.

Republican here.

Can someone on the political left verify that the above statement is accurate?

Thanks in advance!

 

Where the heck does it say or even remotely imply that?
They also are available for anything else I might need to use them for.

 

The first two sentences of your post.

 

Im not the most eloquent writer or speaker MOST of the time.

Let me give you the scoop on my situation.

I moved into a community a little over a year ago on the west coast. Under the one condition that I was not a Trump supporter. At the time I was apathetic. After being around these complete nutjobs for a while, my eyes have been opened. I could go on for daaaays with the most ridiculous stories of shit that has gone on here and how out of touch with reality these people are.

Take 20 minutes and watch ben shapiros 2018 CPAC speech. He lays what I have been going through for the last year out on the table nicely.

 

The problem is right-wing propaganda and scare tactics. Have you seen the NRA ads? You'd think we were all gonna die any minute!

 

Well thats basically what you were telling me yesyerday. That you believe you are allowed to tell people what they do and dont need.

 

Ben Shapiro just repeats right-wing talking points -- most of which are lies.