After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    All a matter of fashion. Banning a single gun model won't do anything, people will just switch to something else. Anybody remember the Tec-9?
     
  2. NotMyRealName

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    I don't disagree but we need to prove that. Take it away......watch what happens. If a new weapon gets used, we have proven that, and can lift that AR ban. But since the AR is the ones these sick kids use, and much controversy that surrounds it, I'd like to put it to bed by in fact removing it for a time at least. My own handgun was made illegal for a time by another left wing campaign. That ban was later lifted.
     
  3. storch

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    And was the owner of that pink rifle involved in a mass shooting?

    How many mass shootings were done with an AR-15 rifle?
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Another broad generalization. If we don't think assault weapons have a place in civilian hands we're machine hating morons.

    I'm thinking someone who defends an idiot who paints his AR15 pink with a Hello Kitty motif in an attempt to make a very lethal weapon that has been used to kill 20 first graders, among others, look less intimidating is the one who needs to do a little introspection.

    Look how cute it is.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    Yeah, I saw it.
    Harvard Study Flawed
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    That's why there was a federal ban on many assault weapons, not a specific gun.
     
  7. soulcompromise

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    The Dickey Amendment makes it kind of tricky for the CDC. The amendment says that no funds can be used to advocate gun control. What can we do with outcomes that implicate higher rates of homicide?

    Why Can't the U.S. Treat Gun Violence as a Public-Health Problem? < -- this article discusses the amendment.
     
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  8. MeAgain

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    The AR 15 style is just one assault weapon, there are others. I think there are a number of assault weapons that need to be banned, not just the AR 15.

    Mass shootings involving the AR 15, note six of the worse mass shootings in U.S. history used AR 15s.
    Parkland, Florida 17 killed
    Sutherland Springs, Tex. 26 killed
    Las Vegas 58 killed 851 wounded
    San Bernardino, Calif. 14 killed
    Newtown, Conn. 27 killed
    Aurora, Colo. 12 killed
    Sandy Hook Elementary School 20 first graders killed 7 others
    Crandon, Wis. 6 killed
    Orlando, Fla 49 killed
    Los Angeles 2 killed 12 wounded
    Conyers, Ga. 2 killed 2 wounded

    Also note I didn'r research the number of wounded for most shootings.
     
  9. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you know what CDC stands for? Hint: its not Harvard.

    Many pages ago I said you were irrelevant in this convo but somehow I started reading your posts again. Guess I gotta stop a second time. You are sooooooo far off base. Judging people because of what color their gun is.

    And for the last time. ARs are not assault weapons. AR stands for armalite rifle. ARs are semi automatic. Assault weapons have selective rate of fire.

    That explanation wont suffice for the gun ignorant because they dont understand what all that means.
     
  10. TheGhost

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    Sooo realistic. Ban the AR, watch people switch, lift the ban. Rinse. Repeat whenever some kid gets shot.

    Just to prove a point? I'd like to hear your argument when someone buys two Glock 17s and kills 15 people in 3 minutes. Ban semi-auto handguns? Fucking sacrilege!!

    Doesn't prove or disprove anything. It gets banned. A year later someone else gets elected. Laws get changed. Merry go round without reason or rhyme.
     
  11. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    When was the last time bike lock weilding communists and basement dwelling low-lifes shut down a leftist rally like the Oscars?

    People like Shapiro want people to have victory mind sets and be successful. It seems to me that it’s racists like Tim Wise who preach that white people are only successful because of their hue. Promoting a victim mindset for people of color. By preaching that they won’t ever have it as good as a less-than-average white person no matter how hard they try.
     
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  12. Asmodean

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    6-eyed, if you care about that issue so much (and it seems you care a lot more about that than this thread topic), and would like an in depth convo about white privilege and/or blacks getting victimized please create a thread for it and start talking about it there.
    It's a worthy subject for a good discussion so I'm sure people will join in. Trying to do it in here you will just be ignored a lot.
     
  13. NotMyRealName

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    No my point and argument is, if we ban the AR, and it shows no change in school massacres, we can tell the left to shut the hell up once and for all about ARs. If however they are right, we need to recognize that.

    In their minds, if we don't make change to the ARs they will always be right that its the problem, therefore never take responsibility that it may be something else wrong that they can actually fix.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Oh really? I included that as a counter point.

    Modifying a gun to look like a child's toy deserves judgement.

    The ArmaLite Rifle company sold its rights to the AR 15 to Colt in 1959. Their patent expired in 1977 and a number of rifles are now produced in the same configuration that are not labeled AR 15 as AR 15 is a brand name owned by Colt.

    The Colt AR 15 was designated an assault weapon in the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.
    AR type weapons are assault weapons in Connecticut, California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and possibly others but I got tired looking.

    You're confusing an assault weapon with an assault rifle. Look it up.
     
  15. MeAgain

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    But the point is the Ar 15 is an assault weapon, there are other assault weapons...they should all be banned.
    And then if people start using multiple pistols to commit mass shootings ban them as well.

    If a society can't be trusted with certain weaponry and we have no means to stop the carnage other than eliminating the weapons, what's the problem? We give up and let first graders be massacred so we get to play with lethal weapons?
     
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  16. NotMyRealName

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    Society isn't the problem. The whack jobs are. And they aren't that many in comparison to the overwhelming numbers of perfectly sane legal gun owners.
     
  17. Asmodean

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    The wackjobs are a part of society, and when they have access to an assault rifle can have , and are on a too regular basis, a horrible impact on the rest of society. If a big part of society has enough of that and wants to limit the risks, but are obstructed by another big part of society (a certain amount of legal sane gun owners) than yes, this society is part of the problem on itself. Not merely the wackjobs committing the actual atrocity.
     
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    Who defended the idiot who painted his AR-15 pink?
     
  19. mcme

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    Yet automobiles have to many other positive benefits, in your opinion, to address the automobile as the problem. It seems your opinion simply overrides others.
     
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  20. mcme

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    My opinion that gun control is not a good idea is based on the fact that there's no one else besides yourself to count on for protection at the instant you need it. If you believe the police are going to be there for you at that moment, you're wrong. There are not even close to enough LEO's on the job to do anything but write a report and investigate after the fact. And even if one happens to be nearby, he's under no obligation to provide you with any personal protection, despite what you've been led to believe. Yet these same undermanned forces want you to surrender to them the tools you have to protect yourself and your loved ones. Not going to happen in my household, unless it's taken from my cold dead hands.
     
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  21. MeAgain

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    What automobile problem are you talking about?
     
  22. MeAgain

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    You're assuming everyone wants to take away all guns....not so.
    Guns are already controlled, but the control needs to be tightened.
     
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