After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    First look at the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

    Then check out California's list:
    Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

    Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

    Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

    Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

    ...and I'll stop there as I'm sure you get the idea. I don't own any of these weapons.
     
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  3. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Nope, I didn't say anything similar to that.
     
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  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What you said was:
    The it you were referring to is guns. You state it (guns) can't be removed from society, in response to my comment that I see no problem with removing guns if we can't find a solution to the problem we have with mass killings.

    I thought you said that instead of removing guns, which you say to late to do, you would prefer to dismantle gangs, etc. although we all know that violence is many faceted and guns are a handy tool for violence.

    I misunderstood you. You do favor increased gun regulation and the banning of certain guns?
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So what's your point?
     
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  11. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Of course I do. See, regulating the mass killing machines makes sense. Taking the squirrel rifles and small caliber handguns from convenience store clerks does not. Taking away "ALL" guns is moronic since they are so easy to make that an instant black market would blossom and we'd have the usual effects of prohibition.

    The other problem I see though is that most gun owners are responsible and their guns never commit crimes and yet, it's their guns that become "targets" every time some loon shoots up a school, restaurant or church. Classic misdirection by the gun grabbing hopeful assholes who can't see the reality of the situation. All they see is "take all the guns so we (our people) can be in charge" kind of lunacy.
     
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  13. Irminsul

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    Man on ice goes into a Walmart and bites 28 people.

    BAN THE TEETH!
    MOUTHGARDS NEED TO BE WORN IN PUBLIC
     
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  17. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    But then why did you post all of those things about what an AR is capable of (piercing a helmet at x yards, etc) if there are other bolt action guns with a 3 shot magazine that can do the same thing in terms of ballistic performance or exceed. Dont try to wiggle your way out of this youve got to get your point narrowed down. You cant go around talking about what an AR is capable of in terms of ballistic performance that makes it seem scary when there are deer rifles that can easily surpass the stats you provided.

    3rd time Ive had to ask the same question. Just admit youre wrong.

    In essence my point is: dont bring ballistic performance into the discussion. It is irrelevant considering that many other calibers used for big game hunting exceed the ballistic performance of the AR which shoots either .223 / 5.56 or 7.62 rounds. Your tactic is to play on peoples ignorance by making ARs seem excessively powerful and scary when in fact guns that you have no problem with are far more devastating in terms of ballistic performance. Or maybe its just your ignorance and youre learning about guns as you go along on the internet.

    Im just pointing this out for your own good. It will make you seem smarter when you are talking to someone that actually knows about guns. For now I think youre just trying to appeal to the gun ignorant with fear and / or that you dont know what youre talking about.
     
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  19. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    At some point you just gotta sit back and laugh.

    Cant try to intellectualize nonsense.
     
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    Well said. In 2017 there were 422 mass shooting deaths in the U.S. That represents about 3.6 percent of the number of murders by firearms (11,000) in the same year. On top of that, given that there are over 300 million guns in the U.S., the number of murders by firearms represents .00315 percent that number. And that's the justification used by some people to take away my Glock pistol.

    I don't think that even the cops are very worried about "assault" rifles on the street.
     
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  23. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Visa decided NOT to jump on the anti gun bandwagon

    Stating it is not their job to "set restrictions on the exchange of lawful goods and services."

    Very straightforward simple and honest.

    Kudos to them for not playing politics and just operating business.
     
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  25. 6-eyed shaman

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    It’s a pretty simple rule: If you’re not a political company, don’t virtue signal.
     
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  27. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Hit the nail on the head there bro. They would have you believe its about "compassion" and "dont you care about childrens lives?"
     
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  29. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Amen. I wont spend a single red cent at REI anymore because they decided to play vjrtue signaling instead of business.
     
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  31. NotMyRealName

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    Like I said before. Wait til Johnny gets whacked and takes dad 30.06 deer rifle to school. Good luck banning deer rifles.
     
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  33. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    First off, we are talking about the Parkland shooting are we not. Even if I was confining mass shootings to just school shootings, it's relevant to the discussion at hand. Secondly I wasn't confining mass shooting to school shootings. I only mentioned "deadliest school shooting" because it's easier than saying "the third largest mass shooting." everything else was pertaining to mass shooting in general.

    I'm not arguing for any regulation. I'm simply pointing out the faultiness in you argument.

    The Navy yard shooter used a shotgun and killed 12 people if I remembered correctly. And lethality isn't just how many you can kill but also how likely for someone to get kill when hit by the round. OO buckshot or 1 ounce slug is absolutely brutal to the human body.

    Your point?
    To show you how silly it is to ban something because it LOOKS like something the military uses. There are more modern day handguns and shotguns in the civilian market that are used in the military than there are rifles.
     
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    OMG. You've been watching too much InfoWars!
     
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  37. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    So here you are a gun grabber essentially encouraging mass shootings. Shame on you.

    A lot of people packing heat at NRA buildings. Shooter would not get very far.
     
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  39. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    I second the motion.. what the heck is her point about muzzle velocity.

    Ya cant boil down all ballistic performance to muzzle velocity.

    Shes punching a good ways over her weight limit here.

    Dont bandy around numbers arbitrarily because you dont know what youre talking about MeAgain. Leave ballistics out of this. Its in your best interest.

    Unless you just want to look like you dont know what youre talking about. Then go right ahead.

    Its just like why does she bring up AR ballistic performance when there are plenty of big game rifles that exceed it.
     
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