After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. storch

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    I doubt that. Hell, you can even post your name on social media and say that you want to be a professional school shooter and even have people report you for saying such things publicly, and the FBI will wait until you've actually done it.
     
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  2. machinist

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    No offense, but our founding fathers were smarter than you.
     
  3. storch

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    I said that the police are not worried about "assault" weapons while they're doing their job.
     
  4. machinist

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    I might actually respond to you if you didnt embed all of your own little psychological analyses of me in your posts. Its pretty nauseating.
     
  5. machinist

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    Its totally ridiculous you think that some rivets are going to be able to not get chopped up by the most powerful lawnmower in the world.
     
  6. MeAgain

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    No it doesn't, caliber and type of projectile also enter into the equation.
    The amount of damage caused by the bullet is a combination of mass and speed. A .45 travels about 30% slower than a 9mm, but it weighs almost 50% more, thus the impact of a 45 is more damaging. 1/2 mass X velocity squared. And we also have to consider the materiel and design of the cartridge and projectile.
    But the speed of an AR 15 bullet also causes cavitation. The rippling of human bone and tissue. Even though the bullet misses vital tissue it may be burst or vaporize from the shock waves caused by the bullet's passing.

    Big game rifles don't have tactical applications. They lack adjustable stocks, rails, pistol grips, flash suppressors, and large capacity magazines. Big game rifles are designed to kill big game, assault weapons are designed to kill people.
    Big game rifles "kick" they recoil making quick repeating shots harder to hit their target. An AR 15 has relatively little recoil allowing for rapid firing and target acquisition, perfect for killing humans.

    I brought pellet guns (BB guns actually) into the argument to illustrate that there are guns that look like military assault rifles but aren't banned, contrary to some people's position, and to show that there are many factors that enter into the designation of what an assault weapon is. Muzzle velocity, caliber, and other things combined.
     
  7. machinist

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    5th time

    I brought big game rifles into the argument to show that the stuff you pointed out that ARs can do, big game rifles can do better.
     
  8. machinist

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    Lets look at your math here. Kinetic energy = 1/2mass x velocity^2

    If something weighs twice as much as something else that is a 100% increase not a 50% increase as you stated.

    Also, looking at the formula, velocity has more say in kinetic energy because it is squared. A small increase in velocity means a relatively large increase in energy whereas an increase in mass does not have as much an effect on energy.

    Then, energy is also not the end all of ballistic performance. There are other factors that come into play.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Big game rifles are not designed to kill people.
    While a "big game rifle" (which is a term you really haven't defined) may have greater "hitting power", accuracy, and range, it will only be appropriately better in certain situations. Typically long range stationary or slowly moving targets and situations where there is plenty of time to aim, reload and if need be fire again.

    Assault weapons are designed to kill people in tactical situations, that is when they are shooting back.
    Big game animals usually don't shoot back.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    I didn't say that something that weights twice as much results in a 50% increase in kinetic energy.
    All I said was that a .45 weights almost 50% more than a 9mm, and even though it has about 30% less velocity it has more kinetic energy. I never showed any math.
     
  11. machinist

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    Fact remains dont even talk about AR ballistic performance. Its irrelevant when their are other rifles that exceed it.
     
  12. machinist

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    I didnt either i said weight. You made the common mistake of saying that something that weighs double is a 50% increase. Its not its 100%
     
  13. Meliai

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    They were human. I've noticed people like to elevate them to the status of god-like creatures but they were human just like the rest of us.

    They were smart enough to create a living document that can be reinterpreted and amended with the changing times but so many arent willing to acknowledge that aspect.

    And they understood that it the Bill of Rights and the Constitution in its entirety that would keep us a free nation, not just the right to bear arms

    Also to be perfectly fucking blunt, gun fanatics (please note use of the word fanatic, not all owners) tend to be some of the biggest bunch of bootlickers around. I have a hard time believing many gun fanatics would even recognize tyranny. Look at the hero worship of Trump by gun owners, he said he would take guns away without due process and no one seems to give a shit because they actually like his authoritarian tendencies, his authoritarian leanings are precisely what got him elected in the first place .
     
  14. machinist

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    Also there is some math there since you came to the conclusion the 45 has more energy. It doesnt. The 9mm does. You gotta remember velocity means more than mass in calculating energy.
     
  15. machinist

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    Im reading Jordan Petersons book right now. Hes alive today and is smarter than you.

    One thing he talks about is respecting the boundaries our ancestors put in place. They were put there for a reason we may have forgotten, and what lurks on the other side is not good.

    Be careful.
     
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  16. Meliai

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    Doesnt surprise me you're a fan of his
     
  17. machinist

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    Whats your beef with JP?
     
  18. tikoo

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    A Circle of Protection , well yes , this is a boundary . It can be observed in nature , in animals who live in family
    relationships . An ancient human word that identifies this is uje , literally translated : the family has awareness .
    Alienation and reliance on tech will never do so well as that .

    Gun-control , I see , is just tinkering .

    What security would you propose for the up-coming children's marches ?
     
  19. Asmodean

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    Uhm, I guess you just happened to identify yourself with a description in my post :-D
    I'm not busy analyzing your psyche or getting unneccesary personal. You're the one who got whole posts removed for that reason, got put on ignore by a fellow forummer (a right leaning one, and fellow skeptic on gun control even), and the only one who got identified by several people as resorting to trolling, solely because his content got criticized, which you were then proud to admit. So, nice try for switching things around.

    Your reaction is already sufficient anyway:
    Its safe to assume you agree/see the logic in this ;)
    If you disagreed and could explain it with a reasonable argument you would have done so. If you disagreed but for no good reason you would likely stayed quiet entirely, because it wouldn't help anyone's anti gun control POV in here :)
     
  20. machinist

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    If you did this, then that. And then if you thought that from this, then that means that. Do you agree or disagree? If you agree then that. If you disagree then this. Its safe to assume.
     
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