After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

[QUOTE="Balbus, post: 8187534, member: ]

Can you please clarify why do you believe there has been an increase in the numbers of what you call ‘human trash’?

Oh and can you answer the repeated question - do you think these ‘human trash’ as you call them are hereditarily, genetically, more prone to violence and crime than other humans beings? Do you think they were born as criminals?[/QUOTE]

As I stated for hopefully the last time now, I'm not a geneticist. I have no idea what genetics traits they have one way or the other. We will discuss genetics if you like, once we can see if we can agree on what makes up trash.

 

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Because it began about guns and this is a thread about guns

Why do you think there has been such an erosion and why do you think it is happening?

What? Please clarify

Sorry you are the one who seems to be evading the subject, which is guns.

Do you think these ‘human trash’ as you call them are hereditarily, genetically, more prone to violence and crime than other humans beings? Do you think they were born as criminals?

 

Let's cut to the chase. Do you think they're dark complected?

 

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So do you think they were born as criminals?

And you don’t have to be a geneticist to answer the question - that is just evasion.

 

Both the father and son in that link appear to look white. And it would be safe to assume the victim was as well. Is this a trick question?

 

Nobody is born a criminal.

 

Hey. Here is an excerpt from a college textbook about the genetics of race. I take it at face value!

 

That would mean there are socioeconomic issues. In other words no reason to discriminate against entire groups of people for being a "terrorist" for example.

 

We can look at evidence to support genetics for or against something, but again unless we have a DNA sample, it would be conjecture as to what genetic traits are common between races or groups of people. I'm happy to bring genetics into play at some point, but we first need to have a consensus on agreeing on what a piece of human trash is.

 

Perhaps so. But there could be lots of reasons besides socio economic ones as well. And we can certainly pay more attention at stopping terrorist rather than the larger group of people they belong to.

 

Probably. My understanding is that, in general, there is more genetic variation within a given "racial" group than between two given "racial" groups. We actually have more genetically in common with someone of the same height than with someone of the same race that is a different height.

 

There is a lot more to genetics than height skin color and bone structure.

 

Yeah.

 

Does your "human trash" argument amount to saying evil scumbags are the source of the violence? I think there's some truth to that, but it doesn't take us very far. We might solve the problem by getting rid of evildoers but (1) we often don't know who they are in advance; (2) we often disagree on who they are (See my short trash list supra, post #1926, but no known body count),(3) our institutional norms of due process and fair play inhibit proactive measures to get rid of them. We found out about the evil scumbags you identified after the fact. Otherwise, they could have been just relatives of Duck Dynasty.

 

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So you don’t think it a genetic trait then, not something passed on, they are just human being like other human beings so how can they be ‘more murderous than other Americans’.

I mean if they were not born more murderous than others then cannot be more murderous in nature than other Americans or say someone in Britain, or France.

All that can be different is circumstances, the influences on their lives.

Then they cannot be ‘human trash’ but only a human being like any other that has been made into what you call human trash.

 

Yes the institutional norms have certainly shifted over the recent decades.

Again I'll ask can we agree that the example I posted is an example of human trash?

 

Ok so can I gather then that your answer is that the example I provided is they are not trash?

 

Here's what the textbook says if anyone is interested in it. Race is invisible on the genetic level! They can't tell race by looking at DNA. To determine race you would need a forensic anthropologist and a skeleton or something. Here's what it says.

 

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As I’ve said lots of despicable crimes are committed all around the world, some have made me literally weep, if you want to call such criminals ‘trash humans’ that’s up to you but they are still just human beings, twisted maybe, mentally ill maybe, but still human beings.

So in what way does vilifying them as ‘human trash’ get you does it help in bringing about solutions? As I’ve said I think it could actually stand in the way of looking for good solutions by placing the whole fault on the individuals, the evil, horrible trash.

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Oh – and please don't say you’re going to come back with that old right wing canard about liberal/lefties been too soft on such ‘scum’ are you - because that really would be pathetic

 

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