The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    See the real world right here and now
     
  2. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    When the left cites statistics... they are evidence and the left will ask you to play by their high and mighty rules. When the right uses statistics they are alllllllll wrong.
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Now we may be getting somewhere. Opinions need to be backed up by facts and statistics, but of course the facts and statistics need to be valid or they mean nothing. Bad arguments that flout the rules of logic won't get you anywhere.So the right should reform and use statistics that are valid and relevant.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Trump to send National Guard to Mexican border...no one seems to know why.
    Mexican immigration is down, and the Posse Comitatus Act has prevented the federal government from enforcing local laws in the U.S. since colonial times.
    The National Guard is state controlled, not federally controlled. Even if Trump federalizes the guard they can't participate in preventing border crossings.
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Trump to immediately withdraw from Syria.
    No, wait, Trump not to immediately withdraw from Syria.

    Apparently his national security team told him how stupid that would be, so he gave them six months to get out, which they then told him was a stupid idea.
    Remember when he said he'd never say what we were going to do militarily?

    Flip flop.
     
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  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    I dont think saying what you are going to do and saying what you are not going to do are the same thing.

    Must be too nuanced for you to understand.
     
  7. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    But the left's statistics may be technically valid, but only examine one small part of a big picture.

    So they may be valid, but the conclusions extrapolated from there are an overreach.
     
  8. NotMyRealName

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    Probably just heard that the press is reporting in multiple outlets that Mueller has stated Trump is not under criminal investigation in the Russia probe. He's like Aw Crap........But the left said........But it's Stormy.....but it's........Mexicans.......but it's .....it's....it's...
    Really? It's been done more than once before with no issues.
     
  9. lode

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    Like using polls that count all adults and not just a likely voter stat they made from 2016 voters? And using more than one poll? But let's accept that poll. 50% isn't pretty popular. It's just keeping the head above water.

    Is popularity the judge of a good ruler? Kim Jung Un has a 98% approval rating. Saying someone is right by way of their popularity is a logical fallacy.
     
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  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    In the past they provided training, construction, and intelligence. Those deployments were also criticized.
     
  11. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    Saying that the USA is comparable to North Korea is a logical fallacy.
     
  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Trump isn't a criminal target, he's a subject of the probe.
    That doesn't mean he can't be impeached and removed from office.
     
  13. lode

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    That barely means anything.

    It's still not totally clear in US law whether the president can be indicted.

    There are three classes that the FBI grants to people as a courtesy. "Witness", "Subject", and "Target".

    Witness means you did nothing wrong and were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and may have some knowledge.

    Target means they're telling you that you can prepare your lawyers that you're about to be charged.

    Subject means they haven't decided to charge you yet.
     
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  14. lode

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    It could be. I'm more making a point that a weekly poll is a measure of popularity and not performance. And that popularity =! performance.
     
  15. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    AS explained by Lode, what Mueller stated was that Trump is not a "trget" of investigation, but is a "subject" of investigation. Deosn't mean he's off the hook.
     
  16. Okiefreak

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    What's particularly notable is that 50% is high for Trump, though routine for other U.S. Presidents, which is why he's crowing about it. In comparison with most of our recent Presidents, his ratings since he took office, even by Rasmussen, have been consistently lower.
    Trump was the most unpopular president one year after his inauguration.Trump’s approval rating is 22 percentage points lower than the average modern president’s. Meanwhile, his net approval rating (approval rating minus disapproval rating), -15 percentage points, makes him the only president in negative territory one year through his first term

    Approval, disapproval and net approval ratings of presidents since 1945 after 364 days in office, according to the FiveThirtyEight aggregate

    President
    Inauguration Year Approve Disapprove Net Approval
    John Kennedy 1961 79% 10% +69
    George W. Bush 2001 81 13 +68
    George H.W. Bush 1989 78 11 +67
    Lyndon Johnson 1963 74 15 +59
    Dwight Eisenhower 1953 71 18 +53
    Richard Nixon 1969 60 23 +38
    Jimmy Carter 1977 55 27 +28
    Bill Clinton 1993 57 34 +22
    Harry Truman 1945 50 35 +15
    Ronald Reagan 1981 49 40 +9
    Barack Obama 2009 50 43 +7
    Gerald Ford 1974 44 39 +5
    Donald Trump 2017 40 55 -15
    Average without Trump
    62 26 +37
    All numbers rounded.
    How Trump Ranks In Popularity vs. Past Presidents
    .Since then, his poll numbers have had their ups and downs, but are still comparatively low.
     
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  17. NotMyRealName

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    We don't need to be educated on what it means. His isn't "Off any Hook" yet. But it certainly isn't anything the left wanted to hear. It was a sure thing.....according to....ummmm...the left. Now there are fewer indications of this sure thing.

    He may still become "on the hook" but I think it would have been reckless of Mueller to have stated that he wasn't a target, if in fact they felt he was after a year + of investigation.

    Trump could do something exceedingly stupid to get himself "On the Hook". Or he could be as he stated all along, not worried.
     
  18. NotMyRealName

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    Agreed.
     
  19. Okiefreak

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    On the basis of your previous statement "Mueller has stated Trump is not under criminal investigation in the Russia probe", I thought clarification was in order, since he is a "subject of the investigation". What makes you think "the Left" thought it was a sure thing? Did they think that in unison? I don't think anybody familiar with the workings of the Justice Department and U.S. political system would be that naive. But did it occur to you that Mueller might be trying to put Trump at ease for an interview?
     
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  20. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Well, that settles it: Men from the south and salesmen from New York should not be elected for president.
     
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