After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Any gun store in the town will probably have to follow local laws. Depends on the ammo I guess. Some fits in many guns.

Don't live in the town it's easy.

 

What is the main concern for people who are against gun control? Is it because they fear that this will mark the beginning of other ''rights'' diminishing? No one is calling for a ban on gun ownership, just gun control. And it seems logical. So, why does it always sounds like mass hysteria with the NRA and people who are against gun control?

 

You are fooling yourself if you think the gun control advocates dont want to ban guns.

 

Yeah but banning the AR-15 on those grounds is not logical. I've provided a list of mass shootings that show that handguns are no different. The police are not concerned about alleged assault rifles. That's because their use in crimes is so rare. Between 1984 and 2017, there have been 3 school shootings involving an AR-15, and yet everyone is up in arms about them demanding that they be banned.

 

There's always an extreme subgroup of the main group, I don't see that happening.

 

Well I have no reason to believe that, should the AR-15 be banned, would be shooters will use another gun, and then there'll be a campaign to ban that one. That's how hysteria works.

But since you mentioned it, what kind of gun control are you thinking about? Or are you saying that present gun control measures need to be enforced?

 

A lot more than 3. It's the gun used in most mass shootings because of it's efficiency and high magazines.

 

Well yeah. Or if you already live there, just get out of town.

 

Here is a list of 50 mass shootings:

Las Vegas: Twenty-two semi-automatic rifles (58 killed).
San Francisco UPS shooting: two pistols (3 killed).
Orange County, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
Fort Lauderdale, Florida: pistol (5 killed).
Burlington, Washington: Semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
Orlando, Florida: Sig Sauer semi-automatic rifle and pistol (49 killed).
San Bernardino, California: Two semi-automatic rifles and two pistols (14 killed.
Colorado Springs, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle (3 killed).
Umpqua Community College: Five pistols (9 killed.
Chattanooga, Tennessee: Semi-automatic rifle, pistol, and shotgun (5 killed).
Charleston, South Carolina: Pistol (9 killed).
Isla Vista, California: Three pistols and two knives (6 killed).
Fort Hood, Texas: Two pistols (3 killed).
Washington, D.C.: Shotgun and pistol (12 killed).
Santa Monica, California: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (5 killed).
Newtown, Connecticut: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (27 killed).
Brookfield, Wisconsin: Pistol (3 killed).
Minneapolis, Minnesota: Pistol (6 killed).
Oak Creek, Wisconsin: Pistol (6 killed).
Aurora, Colorado: Semi-automatic rifle and pistol (12 killed).
Oakland, California: Pistol (7 killed).
Seal Beach, California: Three pistols (8 killed.
Tuscon, Arizona: Pistol (6 killed).
Manchester, Connecticut: Pistol (8 killed).
Huntsville, Alabama: Pistol (3 killed).
Fort Hood, Texas: Pistol (13 killed).
Binghamton, New York: Two pistols (13 killed).
Dekalb, Illinois: One shotgun and three pistols (5 killed).
Omaho, Nebraska: Semi-automatic rifle (8 killed).
Blacksburg, Virginia: Two pistols (32 killed).
Salt Lake City, Utah: One shotgun and one pistol (5 killed).
Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania: One shotgun, one pistol, and one bolt-action rifle (5 killed).
Golita, California: Pistol (6 killed).
Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: One shotgun and two pistols (9 killed).
Meridian Mississippi: One shotgun and one semi-automatic rifle (5 killed).
Wakefield, Massachusetts: Semi-automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistol (7 killed).
Honolulu, Hawaii: Pistol (7 killed).
Fort Worth, Texas: Two pistols (7 killed).
Atlanta, Georgia: Four pistols and one hammer (9 killed).
Columbine, Colorado: One semi-automatic rifle and one shotgun (13 killed).
Jonesboro, Arkansas: Three semi-automatic rifles (5 killed).
Garden City, New York: Pistol (6 killed).
San Francisco, California: Three pistols (8 killed).
Olivehurst, California: One shotgun and one .22 rifle (4 killed).
Iowa City, Iowa: Pistol (4 killed).
Killeen, Texas: Two pistols (22 killed).
Jacksonville, Florida: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (10 killed).
Stockton, California: One semi-automatic rifle and one pistol (5 killed).
Edmon, Oklahoma: Three pistols (14 killed).
San Ysidro, California: One pistol, one semi-automatic rifle, and one shotgun (21 killed).
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Of those 50 incidents, 18 involved semiautomatic rifles. Of those 18 incidents, 12 involved shotguns and pistols along with the semiautomatic rifles, and 6 of those incidents resulted in more than 10 deaths.

Of the incidents involving handguns, 6 resulted in more than 10 deaths.

Where did you come up with the idea that it's the gun used in most mass shootings?

 

The rule is pretty much the same for all rights. Restrictions are allowed only if they further an important government interest.

That basically means that a restriction is allowed only if it can be justified with a good reason.

Assault weapons pose no such threat however.

Only if the ban can be justified with a good reason.

 

Mainly we don't like having our rights violated, and gun control advocates are determined to violate our civil rights just for fun.

 

[QUOTE="storch, post: 8196436, member: 225817"]Well I have no reason to believe that, should the AR-15 be banned, would be shooters will use another gun, and then there'll be a campaign to ban that one. That's how hysteria works.[/quote] Ah, good point.

Cruz should never have been able to purchase a gun, legally. The measures that should be put into place are that when someone with a history of police involvement (he had 45 visits to his house?) and mental instability, he/she should NEVER be allowed to purchase a gun, legally. Illegally, that's hard to stop, but the background check should have picked up this guy's long track record of being mentally unstable and dealings with the police. Sorry, you can't buy a gun. Bye. Seriously, how did this guy get a gun legally?

Also, arresting anyone who makes threats on social media to kill people, carry out school shootings, etc, whether jokes or not, should be arrested. Cruz should have been arrested a long time ago.​

 

Can you list these other school shootings?

Nonsense.

 

I think most gun rights supporters would be fine with that so long as due process rights were respected so that innocent people could challenge unjust charges.

 

Here is a link that lists several as well as saying that other guns are used as well.
Why the AR-15 keeps appearing at America's deadliest mass shootings

Here is a list of mass shootings in the U.S. that featured AR-15-style rifles during the last 35 years, courtesy of the Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries and USA TODAY research:

• Feb. 24, 1984: Tyrone Mitchell, 28, used an AR-15, a Stoeger 12-gauge shotgun and a Winchester 12-gauge shotgun to kill two and wound 12 at 49th Street Elementary School in Los Angeles before killing himself.
• Oct. 7, 2007: Tyler Peterson, 20, used an AR-15 to kill six and injure one at an apartment in Crandon, Wis., before killing himself.
• June 20, 2012: James Eagan Holmes, 24, used an AR-15-style .223-caliber Smith and Wesson rifle with a 100-round magazine, a 12-gauge Remington shotgun and two .40-caliber Glock semi-automatic pistols to kill 12 and injure 58 at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.
• Dec. 14, 2012: Adam Lanza, 20, used an AR-15-style rifle, a .223-caliber Bushmaster, to kill 27 people — his mother, 20 students and six teachers — in Newtown, Conn., before killing himself.
• June 7, 2013: John Zawahri, 23, used an AR-15-style .223-caliber rifle and a .44-caliber Remington revolver to kill five and injure three at a home in Santa Monica, Calif., before he was killed.
• March 19, 2015: Justin Fowler, 24, used an AR-15 to kill one and injure two on a street in Little Water, N.M., before he was killed.
• May 31, 2015: Jeffrey Scott Pitts, 36, used an AR-15 and .45-caliber handgun to kill two and injure two at a store in Conyers, Ga., before he was killed.
• Oct. 31, 2015: Noah Jacob Harpham, 33, used an AR-15, a .357-caliber revolver and a 9mm semi-automatic pistol to kill three on a street in Colorado Springs, Colo., before he was killed.
• Dec. 2, 2015: Syed Rizwyan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, 28 and 27, used two AR-15-style, .223-caliber Remington rifles and two 9 mm handguns to kill 14 and injure 21 at his workplace in San Bernardino, Calif., before they were killed.
• June 12, 2016: Omar Mateen, 29, used an AR-15 style rifle (a Sig Sauer MCX), and a 9mm Glock semi-automatic pistol to kill 49 people and injure 50 at an Orlando nightclub before he was killed.
• Oct. 1, 2017: Stephen Paddock, 64, used a stockpile of guns including an AR-15 to kill 58 people and injure hundreds at a music festival in Las Vegas before he killed himself.
• Nov. 5, 2017: Devin Kelley, 26, used an AR-15 style Ruger rifle to kill 26 people at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, before he was killed.
• Feb. 14, 2018: Police say Nikolas Cruz, 19, used an AR-15-style rifle to kill at least 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

 

Believe it or not, there's people on this very thread who believe that that would be unconstitutional if the one making the threat hasn't mentioned the intended target.

 

But its really just a way for them to say nope, gun control is the only solution

 

In Australia, they have a 28 day waiting period before you can buy a gun, do you think that's fair? See, I think that's fair, because a gun isn't a necessity. If you want to own one, that's your constitutional right, but it's not a necessity.

 

Did you bother to count the number of school shootings in that list?

 

Not true. Hunting season is a specified time frame. What if you have a license and tags but no gun.