After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

My list proves what I said it proves; that the AR-15 is not the weapon of choice of mass shooters by a long shot, and certainly not the weapon of choice for school shooters. Also, its use in any crime is extremely rare.

The weapons listed for each incident on my list are the weapons reported to have been used in each incident. If you believe that one or two of the multiple weapons listed for an individual shooting were not all used, then do some research and get back to me. As I've told you before, a witness at the theater shooting reported that after the shooter's rifle jammed, he started using his pistol. That's why it was listed as one of the weapons used. I gave the anti-gun crowd the benefit of the doubt concerning my list by not giving credit to a pistol even though it was listed as one of the weapons used in addition to a rifle. I could go back and do some recalculating on that basis, but will not.

It may be true that a rifle has chalked up more deaths than a pistol in a few of these shooting (although 32 and 22 deaths with a pistol is pretty significant), it is also true that 9 of the 17 incidents involving a rifle--and even multiple rifles in a single shooting--resulted in less than ten deaths.

 

I've made it clear earlier that a pistol grip is an ergonomic addition to a rifle. You are opposed to such evolution in design for no reason. How about a barrel shroud? What is your reason for condemning them?

 

Protects your hand from heat when rapid fire heats the barrel

 

Then practically speaking it isn't an effective measure.

[QUOTE="Toggle Almendro, post: 8196919, member: 302541]"That there is no justification for banning pistol grips is a fact. It isn't so much a matter of my wisdom as it is a matter of reality.[/Quote] Okie: How did pistol grips get into the discussion?

[QUOTE="Toggle Almendro, post: 8196919, member: 302541]"No. Having the courts protect our rights is a good thing. We want our civil rights to be protected.[ /Quote] Okie: Some of us want our right to life to be protected. So we need some sensible gun laws. The Maryland law upheld by the 4th circuit will do nicely.

[QUOTE="Toggle Almendro, post: 8196919, member: 302541]"Not to mention, if we could finally be confident that the government will always be prevented from violating our rights, we could accept some gun control measures that we currently prevent from passing, like universal background checks.[/QUOTE] Okie: "We" being the NRA?

 

No, you're illustrating the destructive nature of more than twenty semiautomatic rifles with bump stocks and 100-round magazines. That's why I called that incident the exception, and not the rule.

 

Well Japan, the U.K. and Australia don't seem exactly like tyrannies to me. And they're much safer. Speaking of freedom and foreign countries, I'm sure you're aware that Putin's Russia isn't very free, and it has very tough gun laws. Yet they have a very active gun rights organization, headed and promoted by Alexander Torshin, former chair of the Federation Council of Russia, the upper house of the Russian legislature.and Deputy Head of the Central Bank of Russia. He also served theTambovskaya Gang of Russian mobsters as its money launderer. The gun rights group that he founded in Russia is not advocating gun rights for Russia, but has been active in establishing ties with the NRA in the U.S. Torshin donated $1000 to the NRA to become a life member. Why? The speculation is the Russians use the organization as a conduit to American right wing politicians Depth Of Russian Politician's Cultivation Of NRA Ties Revealed ,matter further pursed in an article by Tim Dickerson in Rolling Stone entitled "Inside the Decades Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate NRA and Help elect Trump." Inside the Decade-Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate NRA and Elect Trump It tells about how Russia used femme fatales, lavish Moscow parties and dark money to work the NRA.The NRA spent an unprecedented $30 million to install Trump in the White House. Peter Stone and Gregg Gordon say this is being investigated by the FBI.FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump Did any of that money come from Russia via the launderer Torshin? Interestingly, Torshin was on the list of Russian nationals included in the recent U.S. sanctions. Foreign intrigue is so interesting, especially when it relates to gun politics and the NRA.

 

I sure as hell wouldnt want yo live in Japan, UK and Australia. No offense to anyone from there. They are not as free as the USA

 

Thank God For That......



Cheers Glen.

 

You know what they say... with freedom comes responsibility

 

Only restrictions that can be justified with a good reason pass constitutional muster.

If the Supreme Court allows an unconstitutional law to stand, that doesn't make it OK.

The NRA defends our constitutional rights until such time that the Supreme Court decides to start doing so.

Civil rights violations are always wrong, even when the damage is minor.

Plus if we gave way on this violation, the gun control movement would simply start pressing for another violation. And then another. And another.

And it's a pretty convenient battleground to fight on. Every time the gun control movement exhausts themselves trying to ban pistol grips, no gun legislation of any kind gets passed.

 

By the same measure, your proposal for a widespread ban on many rifles is even more ineffective, as it is even less likely to pass.

The gun control movement is dead set on trying to ban them for no reason.

How would banning flash suppressors, folding stocks, and attachments for launching rifle grenades save any lives?

There are actually many gun rights organizations of varying focus and temperament. The NRA is certainly a prominent one however.

They seem that way to me. The lack of freedom there is appalling. I really feel bad for their citizens.

 

As An Australian Citizen.......My Response Is......LOL......



Cheers Glen.

 

You do realize that not every Australian enjoys living without freedom?

 

Please Explain.....???



Cheers Glen.

 

Free people have the right to have guns for self defense.

Australians used to have this right and were free.

Then they repealed that right. Now they are not free.

 

Australians are free from fear at least (except for your nasty fearsome critters!)

For a long time after the Aurora shooting I didnt go to the movies. I've been to one since the shooting and only because my kid wanted to go. I probably wont go to concerts much anymore after Las Vegas. I have a fear of being in a contained space now, I'm always looking for the exits, planning my escape route in case some psycho pulls out a gun. Is that really freedom?

 

Dear Toggle.


Gun Culture Is Not Our Way Of Life Here......Never Has Been......And Never Will Be......

Australia Is Smart Enough To Learn From Other Countries Mistakes.....



Cheers Glen.