The Donald Trump Score Card

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  1. Flagme15

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    thanks for the insult. you know nothing about me
     
  2. NotMyRealName

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    Sure they do. You disagree. Therefore you are all of the labels that make you just want to shut up and not talk to them. They win by that logic. If the first thing they try and tell you is you support child molesting racist if you support Trump supporting a Republican that has been accused during an election. You can't really use any sort of logic that makes sense to them. If you respond with "You support a boss subjecting a young intern to performing sex acts on him, and it is proven fact", it isn't the same logic to them. The fact that both events happened in the past is only relevant when they need it to be.

    Get with it man....this is a different universe we have to learn to live in. You gotta learn left logic.
     
  3. egger

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    Sean Hannnity has been a client of Trump's lawyer Cohen. What a surprise.


    Here's How Fox Handled the News That Sean Hannity Was Trump Lawyer's 'Third Client'
    By Katie Reilly
    April 16, 2018 4:48 PM EDT

    Here's How Fox Handled the News That Sean Hannity Was Trump Lawyer's 'Third Client'

    "Fox News quickly pivoted away from coverage of the Cohen hearing and aired stories about Syria and Barbara Bush’s illness. CNN and MSNBC continued to cover the Hannity revelation."
     
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  4. NotMyRealName

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    Presidents can meet with whomever they see fit as part of their responsibility. Trump is not the first to do so in the white house or oval office. Just because he does it in the oval office doesn't make him a sympathizer or in collusion. Its not a first in history event. Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton and Obama did. The White House, like Washington D.C. is laid out to impose and intimidate our foes. Each part is positioned to invoke power and authority. It wasn't done by accident. It's a great place to bring your foes to discuss your concerns. I think he is being naive as the to the public image it sends considering the investigation he is under. But hey that's just my opinion. His supporters seem to be eating it up.

    We shall see if Comey makes it out unharmed. I believe he served his country as well as he could until such time as he stated, in this current political climate you have to choose sides. He chose his side. He expected that side to win. He suffered the consequences. He would have been fired by Hillary if he would have given Trump any breaks. He should do fine from the proceeds of his book. He may need those proceeds for legal expenses.

    Trump has been accused of much. So far only the media and HF are convicting him. I won't mind at all if he goes down. I think his style sucks. But if he doesn't, the Dems are in for a lot of payback. Trump has money pouring in from donors to show support. Trump fundraising operation pulled in $20M in first three months of 2018. This will only be the beginning of the pain they will pay to inflict on the Dems.
     
  5. Okiefreak

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    Always so much subtext with your posts. Are you bringing up Roy Moore? Must still be stuck in your craw. If you want to bring him up, do so. Get it out in the open, and we can talk about his merits and demerits what it says about Trump and his followers to support him. And I assume that boss you're talking about is Slick Willie? I think he's a sleaze ball, that's why he was impeached in 1998 (and unlike Roy, hasn't run for public office since) Relationships with interns smack of sexploitation--but I do draw a distinction between adults and minors. So not quite the same "logic". The Republicans have been after Hillary since the early 90s--Vince Foster's murder, White Water, Benghazi--so many hearings, so many taxpayers' dollars at work. But nada. And those emails--crime of the century! Lock 'er Up! Jared Kushner, Ivanka, former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, former strategist Steve Bannon, former aide Gary Cohn, and aide Stephen Miller have used private servers. But hey...it isn't the same "logic" to them.
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing out that you seem to be lumping all unions together and don't seem to have an understanding of what unions do.
    You can refute me any time by engaging in a discussion about unions.

    If you take that as an insult I can't help it.
    I readily admit to be lacking knowledge in a number of areas.
     
  7. egger

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    It explains why Hannity was so upset about the FBI raid on Cohen and why Trump and Cohen tried to block the release of client names.
     
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  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Wait a minute. You're telling me that Reagan, both Bushs, Clinton, and Obama met with a Russian foreign minister and a Russian ambassador behind closed doors in the Oval Office with only reporters from Tass, Russia's state news agency present.
    And during the meetings with top Russians Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama discussed classified information that originated from one of our closest allies?

    And remember one of the Russians is implicated in the investigation of Russian influence in our elections by secretly meeting with Flynn, a day after he fired the chief investigator in that investigation.
    I don't believe you. Please list these meetings, the dates, what Russians were alone with Reagan, et al, and what secrets these other presidents revealed.

    Comey screwed up with the Clinton letter, we know that. He didn't chooses sides.

    I didn't know the media or Hip Forums could convict anyone. We can certainly have opinions.

    Sure, the rich swamp people support Trump, we know that.
     
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  9. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Left Logic evolved after Republicans ridiculed EBONICS.
     
  10. stormountainman

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    got caught dipping in the honey jar
     
  11. 6-eyed shaman

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    Jeez this is such a Democrat response.

    Although I agree that neocons are terrible, this is very much something a rubber stamp Democratic loyalist will say.

    You have so much to say about Bush, Rumsfeld, Blair, and Cheney and their horrid foreign policies in Iraq. But you are dead SILENT on Obama, Biden, and Clinton’s exact same policy in even MORE countries like Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, and more.

    “War is horrible! But only when republicans do it”

    :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Okiefreak

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    As I recall, it was Bush who decided to move into Afghanistan and Iraq, both done incompetently in the service of Neocon objectives of establishing beacons of democracy in the Middle East. It was Obama who began withdrawal in both arenas. Once there, having sacrificed lives and treasure in the name of those causes under Bush, we had a choice of withdrawing precipitously or gradually. Obama was criticized for making our withdrawal clear, and following through on it.The U.S withdrawal Afghanistan was revised after the Taliban resurgence effort at the battle of Kunduz, and 8,400 troops were left behind at the end of 2016.The US combat mission in Iraq ended in 2010. The last U.S. brigade combat team in Iraq left the country, under Obama, and American troops are now in the country primarily to advise and assist Iraqi forces. In fact, Trump changed his tune on withdrawing from Afghanistan and announced a new strategy last August that includes an indefinite time commitment and sending thousands more troops to the country. So how again wasObama's policy the "exact same" policy as Bush and the Neocons?

    And what do Biden and Clinton have to do with it? You're apparently talking about initial votes in the Senate to support the action taken by Bush. In the case of Afghanistan, the action was taken in the aftermath of 9-11, & was not presented as a 17 year commitment. In the case of Iraq, the votes were based on erroneous information about weapons of mass destruction. In both cases, I think the votes were rational based on the information at hand. Execution of the operations was incompetent and irrational, and the neocons can't weasel out of full responsibility for that.
     
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    Cohen crisis shows short-handed Trump legal team's scramble
    As his legal jeopardy seems to grow, the president has gone nearly a month without finding a new personal attorney to helm his Russia defense.
    By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
    04/16/2018 08:57 PM EDT

    Cohen crisis shows short-handed Trump legal team's scramble

    "Legal experts said Trump’s struggles are no real surprise given the way the temperamental, tweet-first president has repeatedly violated the wishes of his lawyers by discussing the case publicly and with his top aides.

    "I understand why a lot of individual lawyers would be reticent to take the case," Corallo said. "It’s a large case. It’s all consuming. You will not have a lot of time for other business."

    "And when you see the way the president has treated some of his attorneys, a lot of very senior lawyers would look at that and say, ‘I don’t need the aggravation. I’ve built a reputation and I’m not going to have my client purposefully embarrass me or humiliate me or be attacked by people within the White House on the president’s staff and those who are close to him who find their way onto the television screen and into the newspapers to carry messages from the president,'" Corallo added."
     
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    Trump’s Business Ties in the Gulf Raise Questions About His Allegiances
    By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
    JUNE 17, 2017

    Trump’s Business Ties in the Gulf Raise Questions About His Allegiances

    "LONDON — President Trump has done business with royals from Saudi Arabia for at least 20 years, since he sold the Plaza Hotel to a partnership formed by a Saudi prince. Mr. Trump has earned millions of dollars from the United Arab Emirates for putting his name on a golf course, with a second soon to open.

    He has never entered the booming market in neighboring Qatar, however, despite years of trying.

    Now a feud has broken out among these three crucial American allies, and Mr. Trump has thrown his weight firmly behind the two countries where he has business ties, raising new concerns about the appearance of a conflict between his public role and his financial incentives.

    Mr. Trump has said he is backing Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates because Qatar is “a funder of terror at a very high level.” But his stance toward Qatar, which is host to the largest American air base in the region, has differed sharply from the positions of the Pentagon and State Department. The secretaries of defense and state have stayed neutral, urging unity against the common enemy of the Islamic State.

    Other countries in the Middle East see what is happening and may think, ‘We should be opening golf courses’ or ‘We should be buying rooms at the Trump International,’” said Brian Egan, a State Department legal adviser under the Obama administration. “Even if there is no nefarious intent on behalf of the president or the Trumps, for a president to be making money from business holdings in sensitive places around the world is likely to have an impact.”
     
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    The Trump Administration Can’t Come Up With a List of Good Black Attorneys
    By Max Kutner
    11/20/17 at 3:06 PM

    The Trump administration can’t come up with a list of good black attorneys

    "Civil rights advocates are slamming President Donald Trump about his picks for United States attorneys, saying they lack diversity. The White House announced Friday its ninth wave of nominees for the positions; of the 57 total nominees announced, one was black and three were women.

    “These federal prosecutorial positions are critical within the criminal justice system,” said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonprofit focused on justice for racial and ethnic minorities. “We’re...seeing a complete abandonment of a commitment to diversity and a complete failure to think about diversity as one among a number of factors in identifying nominees for critical federal positions.”"
     
  16. egger

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    A comment by a blogger:

    "The world is full of narcissists. But Trump does it in such an incredibly cartoonish way it's hard to believe he's serious. In 2011 he told an audience, "if I decide to run, you'll have the great pleasure of voting for the man that will easily go down as the greatest president in the history of the United States: Me, Donald John Trump." Even the most narcissistic people don't usually talk that way, because they have enough sense to realize it just sounds dumb.

    On the other hand, there have long been celebrities who act in a bombastic way that borders on self-parody, from radio shock jocks to pro-wrestlers. I was sure Trump was part of that tradition.

    Sometime in 2016 it finally dawned on me that I had misjudged him, that he's exactly the ridiculous person he appears to be. There was something surreal about that realization, because I couldn't wrap my head around the idea that anyone like that could truly exist in the real world. He's like something out of a cartoon or a Disney movie. It makes me wonder if I've had it wrong about all those other celebrities--that a lot of them really are walking cartoon characters without ever intending to be."
     
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  17. Okiefreak

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    What does that say about his supporters?
     
  18. Flagme15

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    well let's see, my late father was a member the Teamsters for thirty years, and was an elected official of said union, but I don't know anything about unions. once again, you are assuming something.
     
  19. Flagme15

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    you lost me
     
  20. unfocusedanakin

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    That they are so angry a cartoon is a hero to them. Everything bad about him to logical people is what his people love.
     

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