Star Wars: The Last Jedi’

There's no issue at all. Just a bunch of people conveying views on a movie franchise. Even if you want to put it your views are the epitome of objectivity there's no issue. People will just tell you they're not.

 

Well apparently there must be a new age meaning of objectivity that I'm not aware of. Last I checked offering factual evidence based solely upon accepted ideals of what makes a good story & or competent character development should qualify as an unbiased statement. Oh well guess I'm too out of touch. I'll just bow out now. Continue on without me! I'll only slow you down!!

Edit: Now that was melodramatic

 

That a character is unrealistically experienced with stuff they're never taught in is backing your opinion up indeed. That the character and movie sucks and the franchise is or should be dead are opinions. Hope you can grasp that.

 

So a film doesn't need quality story, reasonable character development, or rational plot development to be good? Ohhhh ok. Damn I must really be out of touch with popular ideals.... Gah!!! Suckered in again. Sorry just ruined my own extravagant exit scene. Guess I'll just slink away now....

 

Here's a fact: lots of people dig Rey (to stay with this particular example) despite the criticism of which some i can go along with. Its obvious the character isn't all rubbish and neither is the whole movie/franchise. Now, i find it completely logical you come to a different conclusion. But i don't see why you can't admit your views are subject to opinions and preferences just like anybody else. Just because you back your opinions up (which i applaud) doesn't mean they become entirely objective facts.

 

I personally really like the last two movies. I think Rey is a great character.
A couple of you obviously don’t enjoy strong female characters. I’ve read all of these geeky post, and that is my observation.

 

I don't think that's it. Most 'haters' of Rey love Leia for instance. And not because she's a typical princess

 

It has nothing to do with her being a damn female. It has to do with the fact that she is inexplicably perfect at everything she does. She has no flaws, there are no situations in which she finds herself unable to deal without having to grow as a character, in short she is a poorly written unrealistic protagonist.

Why do you think Rey is a good character?

 

Because it’s a nice change to see a protagonist who is actually intelligent and competent. I had my fill of “every man” types.

 

I like her background how she got left behind on Jakku and delt with her circumstances there as a scavenger. It also explains her tech savvyness. In a slightly superficial/simple way perhaps, but it didn't bother me.
I think the actress portraying her did a convincing job. How she regards and deals with Finn is pretty fun. Pretty much the only really quaint thing is how she apparently knows how to handle a lightsaber without training. She didn't flew the Falcon without trouble the first time: they barely made it out of that chase alive. If you know movies you know this at the start of the chase. You feel such things ruin the character, movie and franchise. Others do not

 

There's a fine line between competence & infallibility

 

Oh and competence when given actual rational explanations for it's existence is fine. Rey has no explanation for any if her skills. We're just supposed to watch her perform each task & accept that she can do it

 

Theres some explanation given. You just don't find it satisfactory.

In other scenes she manages to make it by trial and error. Scenes that follow the classic approach of the protagonist barely making it through certain action with a mix of luck, help from friendd and the right decisions. You portray it like its only her unexplained sublime skills, which would indeed be annoying. But that's far from the case in the whole movie. That it is ruined it for you with the lightsaber skills ok. I get that.

 

When did she ever receive assistance from a friend? The one time I recall the possibility being suggested she flat said she could do it herself. You say that her abilities were explained? When? How? Picking apart long dead wrecks for whatever one can find does not an expert mechanic or electrician make.When she hopped in the falcon to pilot it she was performing maneuvers worthy of Anakin Skywalker in his prime. Never even came close to wrecking the ship.

Trial & error? When? Far as I saw, admittedly only in TFA, she just instantly knew what to do in every given scenario. Provide this evidence that I'm apparently missing & I'll instantly concede the entire debate.

 

The lightsaber skill didn't jive with me either, although when she fought Ren he had already gotten jacked up.

 

So? I'm pretty sure that ment something to say about the circumstances she grew up in and shaped her attitude. She wasn't given that line to make it clear to a retarded public that she can do everything herself

I would have to rewatch to adequately state. Which is not a punishment for me but still. I hope you understand i don't try to say you're wrong in your opinion here, or that i wanna change it. I don't care about that. It's just that i dislike it when opinions are put as fact by some people who can't grasp other critical fans still dig this franchise.

 

I do get that some folks still dig the franchise but that knowledge doesn't make me feel any better knowing that it is because of such fans that we will continue to be served such swill on a regular basis. I want good dare I say great films not mediocre at best ones

 

Me too. But that they aren't greater doesn't mean they're shit. That's the whole argument.
And i know it wouldn't make you feel better

 

You must have a much lower standard of shit than I do. Unless a movie isn't really in need of a plot that actually makes sense I would say it should have one. Examples of movies that don't being movies like Friday the 13 or Pacific Rim or the Transformers series.

Perhaps you & others feel that the means of reaching the plot end in Star Wars really don't need to come together properly. I for one don't feel that way. Say what you will about the prequels but Palpatine's arc was well done over all. Granted that his evil genius, 6 steps ahead persona, was somewhat incongruous with his major fuck up in ROTJ but that can easily be explained by hubris which we all know Mr. Dark & Evil had plenty of.

 

Um...you have a point. I noticed this when I first watched it as well, but later just kind of glossed it over for whatever reason. She is, evidently, capable of doing virtually anything. It's a wonder she never noticed it before the action began and found it strange. That she can just pilot a Millenium Falcon or use telekinesis.

Why was she so intensely training to be a Jedi that afternoon when she can already kick Kylo Ren's ass? She's far better than Luke was when he first started out. She should have at least said, "When I first picked up a lightsaber I defeated Kylo Ren in battle" so that the audience would know that even the characters know it's unusual.