The Donald Trump Score Card

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  1. Flagme15

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    and he knew how fucked up that war was.
     
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  2. NotMyRealName

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    History and Google are your friends.

    Jerusalem Embassy Act - Wikipedia

    Trump simply complied with the law.
     
  3. egger

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    Refer to the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995.

    Jerusalem Embassy Act - Wikipedia
     
  4. egger

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    Other Presidents since Clinton also complied with the law but issued waivers every six months which delayed the move of the embassy.
     
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  5. egger

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    Clinton was President but didn't sign or veto the bill. The Senate had sufficient votes to override a veto. The bill became law when Clinton didn't sign or veto it after ten days.

    Not knowing the details of how it passed could give the faulty impression that Clinton was necessarily supportive of the bill. Clinton signed the six-month waivers as did subsequent Presidents including Trump.
     
  6. stormountainman

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    You are wrong again. I did not leave anyone out, because I am not addressing who is or isn't an allied nation of America. I am talking about Trump. Moreover, several Arab and Muslim nations have recognized Israel. Egypt, Jordan, and the UAE have relations with Israel. The UAE has no Israeli embassy but do have official offices. Kuwait has no restrictions on Israelis working there. Turkey-a Muslim nation-has full diplomatic relations with Israel. Tunisia has sold an Island to the Israelis/Jews because they wanted a refuge for their full blooded Cohen priests. Maybe you should stop listening to Sean Hannity an that guy with limited intellect...Alex Jones.
     
  7. egger

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    The issue with Trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem is not just the fact that it is now being done but the way it is being done. The influence of donations of the billionaire Sheldon Adelson to Trump's campaign in 2016 and his offer to partly fund the embassy along with Trump sending his daughter and son-in-law to the embassy event on May 14, 2018 makes it look highly like the results of private, wealthy, political family, as opposed to implementing it in a more objective, government-based, multilateral, international approach that addresses the concerns of other parties involved in the Jerusalem dispute. In addition, the event is occurring on a Trump-style lavish 70th anniverary of the declaration of Israel as a state when hundreds of thousand of Palestinians became refugees and in the wake of Trump cutting off funding to the Palestinians.

    Diplomatic approaches are available to relocate the embassy that wouldn't create the high degree of friction that the mode of Trump has caused.
     
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  8. stormountainman

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    That's what I wanted to tell him but wasn't sure he'd accept it since Hannity hasn't confirmed the matter.
     
  9. egger

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    The organizer of the April event in Israel has been called "Trump in high heels." She even uses the same language of Trump: "The likes of which we have never seen before."


    Israel Celebrates Its 70th Israeli Style: With Rancor and Bickering
    By Isabel Kershner
    April 17, 2018

    Israel Celebrates Its 70th Israeli Style: With Rancor and Bickering

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    "The main organizer of the event is Miri Regev, Israel’s minister for culture and sport, an often provocative, populist politician — the newspaper Haaretz has called her “Trump in high heels” — and a fierce loyalist of Mr. Netanyahu.

    On the way out Ms. Regev instructed an aide to check on the number of portable toilets and quantity of toilet paper, so there wouldn’t be problems like in the past. “Write that down!” she said.

    “This will be a breathtaking display, the likes of which we have never seen before in Israel,” she told reporters."
     
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  10. Okiefreak

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    The KSA has drawn closer to Israel as a result of the common Shiite enemy. The Wahabi KSA risks alienating other Muslim countries by this move, but in any event it will be dictated by the Sunni vs. Shia conflict, not by any great love for Trump and Israel. Re that 1995 law, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama - consistently signed waivers, so as not further to inflame the Middle East situation. The law was passed right after the so=called "Republican Revolution" in Congress when the yahoos were feeling their oats. For Trump, it's probably a play for the Jewish vote and another symbolic measure to please his Evangelical base and big donor Sheldon Adelson. As for the 2.9% economic growth rate, Trump and the Republicans were talking over 3%--even an eventual 4%. If you could convince me that it was Trump and the Republicans who had anything to do with that I might be more impressed. If Trump doesn't endure "all the relentless attacks", you'll be fighting that battle to be taken seriously.. If he does endure, we'll be on our way to destruction. Why did you misspell Obama's name as Obammy (rhymes with mammy)? No racism intended, I'm sure.
     
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  11. MeAgain

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    And Trump is saving $999,800,000 on the Jerusalem embassy! That's a billion rounded off.
    He's only going to spend $250,000!
    That's the cost of a modest home in the U.S.
    But you know the tune....
     
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  12. egger

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    Some of the dignitaries from Israeli laughed at Trump on camera when Trump was with them and made a clueless remark about how much he thought the new embassy would cost. He was trying to portray himself as the great dealmaker and made a fool of himself.

    Trump doesn't understand the difference between an initial cost of temporarily providing some embassy services in an existing consulate and the actual cost of a new embassy.
     
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    Love Sick Intimacy and the American President
    Antonella Gambotto-Burke
    7/12/2017

    Intimacy and Donald Trump | Neighbourhood Paper

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    "The intense reaction certain people have to the nurturance of children and breastfeeding in particular evidences the depth of this wound; such people cannot be exposed to it without experiencing an anguish that manifests as disgust. In 2011, lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked Trump if she could take a break from a deposition to pump breastmilk for her newborn. Trump reported, “She wanted to breast pump in front of me and I may have said that’s disgusting, I may have said something else. I thought it was terrible.”

    Beck denied suggesting pumping milk before Trump – there were other lawyers present to corroborate her account – but remembers the bizarrely charged vehemence of his reaction.

    “He completely lost it,” she said, recalling that he started to “shake, his face got really red, he pointed his finger and shook it and said, ‘You’re disgusting! You’re disgusting!’ Then he bolted and no one saw him again.”


    Our aspiration to the incorporeal – again, this is the axis of pornography and of technology in general – is a tragedy. In promoting insensitivity and inhumanity as the ultimate goal, we’re not only losing our understanding of what it is to be human but our ability to feel passion and joy.

    The most interesting aspect of Trump is that despite being the son of a wealthy man, handsome in his youth, famous, feted by beautiful women, a reality TV star, a billionaire, the father of an array of healthy children and – improbably – now the leader of the Free World, he never looks happy. He looks smug, charming and vindicated, but never happy.

    Mostly, he just looks angry. Derision and near-universal lack of respect may well have embittered him, but one thing is clear: unlike Lincoln, whose assassination triggered unprecedented public sorrow, Trump has given up on intimacy. He now knows for certain that he will never be loved in the way he should have been loved. And it hurts, because if it didn’t, he wouldn’t be so angry."
     
  14. stormountainman

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    and at the same time he did his best to fuel a war between Israel and Iran.
     
  15. egger

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    Trump exiting the Iran nuclear deal, cutting off aid to the Palestinians, moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and sending his daughter and son-in-law to the gala event in Israel. A political family party the likes of which has never been seen before.


    Israel at 70: jubilant US embassy opening masks fevered times
    Move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is celebrated in land where ‘Netanyahu is king and Trump is a god’

    Israel at 70: jubilant US embassy opening masks fevered times

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    "All is set for the inauguration on Monday, an opening charged with symbolism that its organisers anticipate will set off a wave of euphoria across the Jewish state 70 years since it declared independence on 14 May 1948.

    Hundreds of guests will attend, alongside a White House delegation led by John Sullivan, US deputy secretary of state, and including the much higher-profile Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner.

    For Israel’s prime minister, the embassy move is seen as one of two gifts from Donald Trump to the country, the other being his exit this week from the Iran nuclear deal that will reimpose sanctions on Benjamin Netanyahu’s arch-enemy."
     
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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/service-mettle/

    “All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch?”


    Anyone with a military background knows there was a lot of puffery surrounding medals from the Vietnam era.

    Here is an example of whyI claim he betrayed his fellow soldiers:

    Prosecute Kerry

    ‘As far as Galanti was concerned, "Kerry broke a covenant among servicemen never to make public criticisms that might jeopardize those still in battle or in the hands of the enemy." Galanti's criticism of Kerry was particularly biting: "John Kerry was a traitor to the men he served with." Now retired and in his sixties, Galanti refuses to abandon his anger at Kerry. "I don't plan to set it aside. I don't know anyone who does," he was quoted as saying. "The Vietnam memorial has thousands of additional names due to John Kerry and others like him." ‘

    I can say with confidence that 20 some years ago, Kerry had little respect from active duty soldiers who had been in a while. Spare me your histrionics.
     
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    The U.S. apparently is the only country with a physical presence of an embassy in Jerusalem. Guatemala announced it would move its embassy to Jerusalem. 128 countries rejected the U.S. move in a U.N. resolution.


    Why these Latin American countries support moving their embassies to Jerusalem
    Guatemala, Paraguay and Honduras look to strengthen ties with the US by supporting Israel, plus their leaders have personal connections to the Jewish state
    By Josefin Dolsten
    11 May 2018, 9:05 am

    Why these Latin American countries support moving their embassies to Jerusalem

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    "(JTA) — US President Donald Trump’s decision in December to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital drew wide international criticism, with 128 countries including the United Kingdom, Germany and Canada voting in favor of a United Nations resolution condemning it.

    "For Guatemala and Honduras, the US is primordial. It’s much more important than Israel,” he said.

    The two countries also have large immigrant populations in the US that are facing threats of deportation. Those immigrants contribute to their home countries’ economies — for example, one-tenth of Guatemala’s gross domestic product comes from remittances sent back by Guatemalans living abroad. It makes sense to want to be on the Trump administration’s good side.

    Moving their embassies or expressing support for doing so “is a show of good will” to Trump and the US, agreed Mariano de Alba, associate director of the Adrianne Arsht Latin America Center at the Atlantic Council, a think tank focusing on international affairs.""
     
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    Trump needs to start building political and legislative coalitions, not a wall. To date, he has sabotaged coalitions of traditional U.S. allies and has created coalitions of billionaires, autocrats, and personal family members. It's the difference between being a statesman for the benefit of citizens and a mafia boss for the benefit of the select, powerful, wealthy few.

    Some of the working class who got left behind take pride in submitting to a thin-skinned, wannabe alpha-male boss with a nasty style who they perceive as a strong man savior who will bring back the coal industry, the same person whose budget proposal cut Appalachian funding of which the coal mining region is a major recipient.

    The best Trump has been able to muster legislatively was the unpaid corporate tax cut. It has given the U.S. economy a temporary sugar high at the expense of increasing the deficit and national debt whose negative effects will be incurred later. This was a budget reconciliation process that required only a simple majority. It barely passed the Senate and only with the aid of essentially bribing Republican Senators with oil drilling in Alaska for Murkowski and an unfulfilled promise to Collins to later deal with healthcare damage in Maine due to Trump sabotaging the ACA.

    One of Trump's autocratic tactics has been to use sections of old, obscure legislation dating as far back as the 1940's to take unilateral executive action in the name of national security without the involvement of Congress. An example is his imposition of tariffs to try to coerce other countries to come to the bargaining table with him for bilateral talks. Another is his imposition of travel bans. These tactics have produced little results in terms of the U.S. economy or national security. The minor refinements to KORUS aren't going to bring back the steel producing industry in the U.S. (Trump proclaimed proudly in PA in 2018 that it's all coming back). Such activities are mostly political posturing for himself. Voters will eventually acknowledge the lack of results while Trump continues on with his 2015-style speeches complaining about Hillary and Obama.

    Issues regarding immigration, healthcare, and infrastructure are far more complex than a tax cut. They involve deep-rooted political and ideological beliefs of the members of Congress. They require funding and involve complicated relations between businesses, states, and the federal government that involve government officials and resources that Trump has crippled. Trump has shown little ability to grapple with these legislative issues in a meaningful way.

    Like the tariff coercion tactic he has used to try to bring back the steel industry, he is continuing to make threats to shut down the government if he doesn't get U.S. taxpayer money for his wall, the one he should be fighting with Mexico to fund. He is taking his old coercion tactics from his real estate business that he used to coerce Palm Beach and to stiff construction contractors and tenants and trying to project it onto national politics with limited results.
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    I'll spend some time on this as I abhor the posting of fake "facts" on this site and it ties in with Donald Trump as this is his MO and that of his followers and most of the Republican party.

    Apparently you didn't read your Snopes link in its entirety. You cherry picked the parts that the link disproved and presented them as proof that Kerry didn't earn his medals. But if you had read the entire link you would have reached a different conclusion....if you had really been looking for the truth and not just trying to justify a conclusion you had already reached.
    From your link:
    Purple hearts are given out for any wound acquired during action against any enemy of the United States. A physical lesion is not required, only that treatment is provided by a medical officer. Examples are
    One of my cousins, another Silver Star awardee, was given a Purple Heart for a bloody nose he received when his mustache caught fire and he tried to put it out. Kerry's three Purple Hearts were for shrapnel.
    You really need to look into the requirements for the awarding of the Purple Heart.

    His Silver Star:
    His Bronze Star:
    I really can't understand why you would want to criticize a genuine war hero for your own political beliefs.
    As I have stated before, I dislike most of John McCain's politics, but I would never attack his war record or integrity. To me that is a most despicable act...worthy of Trump himself.
     
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  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Now...to waste some more time.
    .....But that's the purpose of posting this "Swift Boating" stuff isn't it?
    Throw out a bunch of lies and half truths with little to no substance and then force your opponent to have to address all the garbage and baseless claims.
    Trump used this tacit many times during his campaign and the rubes bought into it over and over again.

    So, briefly the Winter Soldier investigation:
    You seem to think that reporting of atrocities by U.S. soldiers in war is a crime in the U.S. or contrary to the dictates of war as waged by this country, I view it as a patriotic requirement of every soldier in this country.

    Or are you trying to say these things never happened?
    I never served in Vietnam but I knew a lot of vets. I heard plenty of stories of the atrocities commented by some of our men by men I knew that served their time in Nam.

    Histrionics? Kerry, unlike Trump and his followers, doesn't support those who commit crimes, he supports the principles that this country was built on. If our troops, or our president, commit crimes they should be called out.
    You are the one presenting exaggerated dramatic behavior designed to distract us from the truth.

    Just like Trump.
     
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