The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    They already have the SUPRA court.
     
  2. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    Democrats move more towards the center

    :tearsofjoy:

    Most democrats are already corporatist Republican lite

    They need to move more towards the left and champion single payer healthcare, free community college tuition and lower state university costs, an overhaul of our infrastructure and accompanying job creation, scientific and technological advancement, a move towards more sustainable energy, investment in more techologically advanced public transportation, etc etc. They need to have the balls to move America forward into this century and catch us up with the rest of the first world.

    The reason the Democratic party is failing is because they've tried unsuccessfully to win over voters who are moving further to the right while ignoring voters on the left. Democrats need to embrace their heritage as the party of FDR
     
  3. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think that's an astute recognition. At present there's a momentum for getting a handle on so many different issues. And it seems like some candidates at the state level recognize this; at least in California (I'd wager elsewhere they fair less luckily). I'm still hopeful for and voting for the Democratic candidates though.
     
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  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Random Trump tweet about innocence that comes up every few weeks.
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I really have problems with this "Democrats don't have a message" bull. It's just those who don't like Democrats demonizing them and pushing a false narrative.

    Fake news.

    Here is some of their message taken from their platform.
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The only reason Democrats lose at election time is that most people in this country refuse to vote. As we saw in the last presidential election.
    Conservatives always have a higher voter turnout than liberals. Also the liberal vote is often suppressed or gerrymandered so as to limit its impact.
    The Left Is Energized. Now It Needs to Vote.
     
  7. Meliai

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    And the reason Democrats (and left leaning independents) fail to vote is because Democratic candidates are generally very moderate or even right of center in some cases and fail to excite voters

    But yeah, lots of progressives in the race this go round. Midterms should be fun
     
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  8. egger

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    Trump’s land of delusion: Disregard the sycophants; the wheels are coming off, if they were ever on
    By Rick Wilson
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    May 27, 2018 | 5:00 AM

    Trump’s land of delusion: Disregard the sycophants; the wheels are coming off, if they were ever on - NY Daily News

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    "First, Cohen's longtime business associate Evgeny "The Taxi King" Freidman copped a plea deal and agreed to cooperate with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York against Cohen. This development is bad news from every angle for both Cohen and Trump.

    There's not a chance in hell Freidman would have been given an easy plea deal unless he had something to provide prosecutors on Cohen, and by extension, Trump.

    Freidman comes from the same Russian circles as Cohen and Trump partner Felix Sater. I know you're asking the same question I do all the time: for a President who claims to have never had anything to do with Russia, Russian business interests or Russian money, why are there so many Russians and so much Russian money tied to him?

    As if that wasn't bad enough, the BBC's Paul Wood delivered another hard blow. In an impeccably sourced piece, Wood revealed this week that Cohen (along with the aforementioned Sater) worked illegally on behalf of Ukraine, adding "lobbyist" to his usual roles as the fixer for and conduit to Trump. The BBC reports that Cohen took a $400,000 to $600,000 payoff from Ukrainian interests without bothering the register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Oh, that Foreign Agents Registration Act. You know, the law that requires anyone doing paid work on behalf of a foreign government to register with the United States Department of Justice.

    On Friday, one more piece of bad news ratcheted Cohen's stress level even higher when it was revealed that he met with Viktor Vekselberg, a Russian oligarch deeply tied to Putin, in January of 2017, just before Trump's inauguration.

    The denials from Team Trump that they have anything to do with Russia, their assertions that they have no business in Russia, didn't collude with Russia, didn't coordinate with Russia, never borrowed money from Russians, didn't accept dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russia, don't know any Russians, have never met any Russians and have never heard of the country of Russia ring more hollow with every revelation.

    The vise squeezing Cohen is tightening, and every day that passes increases the chances he'll turn Judas on his friend and boss. Trump knows what Cohen knows, and what Cohen knows about Trump's business dealings, finances, taxes, serial infidelities, hush money to adult film stars (and Lord knows who else) isn't pretty."
     
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  9. egger

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    Trump bemoans 'young and beautiful lives' destroyed by Russia probe
    By Mallory Shelbourne
    05/27/18 08:56 AM EDT

    Trump bemoans 'young and beautiful lives' destroyed by Russia probe

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    "President Trump on Sunday said the investigation into Russia’s election interference has "destroyed" and "devastated" lives.

    “Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt?” the president wrote on Twitter.

    “They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!” "
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The Democratic party is very inclusive. That's a positive and a negative.
    It's negative because if they champion one cause they alienate another within their base. So if they go far left they alienate their center and right.

    The Republicans don't have this disadvantage as they are mostly far right.

    The Dems need to pull together and vote against the Republicans no matter where they stand within the Democratic Party.
    Independents need to realize he Republicans will always screw them worse than the Democrats. Unless they're rich Independents that is.
     
  11. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Well, you got me, I don't like democrats. But then, I don't like republicans either. With the number of overall votes and the amount of money wasted in trying to garner those votes by paying advertisers it seems more likely that actual vote buying is going to be the only way to be absolutely sure of winning.

    Also, this huge democratic wish list is impressive, but the wealthy ruling class on BOTH sides of the political nickel will never allow 2/3 of it to happen. Instead of siding with either it makes more sense for Americans to call them both to the carpet and say "What the fuck".

    BOTH parties have delivered decades of shit sandwiches to the American people. Only the wealthy rise above it and they move off to self-segregate in gated fantasy-land communities to avoid contact with the rest of we, the serfs.
     
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  12. Flagme15

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    and he isn't senile, is he?
     
  13. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    No... he was born that way.
     
  14. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Part of his spiel during his campaign, was when he told the black folks of this nation that they were living in hell, so vote for him and he would-----that's far enough with that.
    I've met a few very good liars along the way, this guy is an incorrigible liar. Never seen the the likes of it.
     
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  15. egger

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    Borrowing the worn-out phrase of Trump: "The likes of which has never been seen before."
     
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  16. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    The Republican wish list is pretty impressive too. A wall (that Mexico will pay for), even more tax cuts for the "wealth producers", more money for the military that accounts for over half of federal discretionary spending, etc. Unfortunately, the two parties are what we're stuck with, and are in my opinion marginally better than the alternatives: the Libertarians (Gary "What is Aleppo?" Johnson) and the Greens (Jill Stein at the table with Putin and Flynn where "nothing happened' except she was in Moscow to criticize the U.S. human rights record). The electoral college and gerrymandering do limit our choices and the prospects for a viable third party. But the worst thing we can do is bow out and leave the scoundrels completely unchallenged. Votes for Nader got us G.W., torture, and the Iraq war. Votes for Trump and Stein helped to give us us Trump. Third-party candidates took solid portions of the vote in a handful of key swing states, collectively outnumbering the votes that gave Republican Donald Trump a thin lead. Stay at home voters did the rest.
     
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  17. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    I voted for Perot, which got us the Clintons. I often wonder what it will take to get us closer to the better side of the ideals of the founders. An economic crash, a REAL one maybe (most of our crashes have been engineered by the wealthy to transfer resources, to them). I'm convinced the first step will be to establish an underground system of trade that is not based on any existing currencies. If I was to try to work within the system, I would aim for taxes. Eliminating the property tax on homes should be a priority. Property taxes are proof that the government essentially owns it al and doesn't want to lose that control.

    Secondly, I think civil disobedience can be a powerful tool for influencing those who lord over us. The problem is coordination, it's not as simple as boycotts. True civil disobedience is holding the ruling classes feet to the fire by following the existing laws, to the letter. Just think what the effect would be if the population itself decided to reduce crime. We have seen this happen before. A prime example is drunk driving, which has been declining for decades. I order to preserve this valuable revenue stream the laws have changed to reduce the way we define drunkenness. In other words, the ruling classes move the goal posts to keep us on the edge. If by some miracle we could reduce crime by say 20% in very short order, the impact on the industry that relies on crimes would feel it faster than the laws could be changed to keep the trap open.

    And make no mistake, it's a trap. Once you're in the system, they own you and extract every dime they possibly can from you. And you pay it to avoid being tossed into one of their drug addicted sodomite gulags.
     
  18. Moonglow181

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    and I do...and always have....as I stand by my principles. You could not pay me to ever vote for a republican , no matter who they are,. That is more than I can say for some people.
     
  19. Okiefreak

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    I don't think it's as conspiratorial as you make out. Once the system is established, it tends to keep on going, with occasional help from some real conspirators like the Mercers Scaifes, and Koch brothers. Civil disobedience wouldn't phase it, although if you can convince people more sobriety behind the wheel is a revolutionary act, go for it! Scrapping the electoral college and overturning Citizens United v. FEC would be good starts, but those would be uphill battles which I don't expect to see until after the Second Coming or the election of Bernie, whichever comes first.
     
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  20. Monkey Boy

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    I don't think property taxes are the problem it's property values. The Fed bought 1.2 trillion dollars in bad mortgages to prop up home prices. My property taxes were up 15% just last year. That's some major inflation. Everyone feels wealthier even as more money goes out their pocket.
     
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