The gay wedding cake.

The existence of the internet does not invalidate the Declaration of Independence nor does it invalidate federal anti-discrimination law

 

Christians believe they are victims. In the Roman Empire days they were outcasts and now they have to bake cakes. Even though America mixes Christianity and politics unlike anyplace else despite a supposed separation of church and state they think people pick on them. This sinful society insults their values at every step and it's so unfair you just don't leave them alone. Plenty of Christians don't feel this way but sometimes I think they look for problems.

It's also a calculated business move. You will loose lots of people not baking gay cakes but how many people will specifically go to your shop now? The TV is probably bringing you more publicity than you would have otherwise too. There is no bad press as long as they talk about you.

 

I didn't mean you specifically, I just picked any group to arbitrarily discriminate against.

 

The Declaration of Independence deals with government bodies. Not private individuals. Also we shoukd repeal discrimination laws. They're obsolete today.

 

I know, I was just playing. But in all seriousness I do believe businesses should have the right to refuse service to anyome for any reason.

 

Loo okay, if that’s your stance I’m done with you then

 

I realllllly want some cake now. Gay cake ,straight cake..doesn't matter to me.

 

As a right, yes. They have that right. Morally however I think it may be a bit extreme. Though to be honest, I never watched the show and don't really care either way.

It depends on whether or not it's a government ran hospital. I should clarify that government officials should be subject to discrimination laws as long as it doesn't hurt their professionalism. To answer the question, I believe private hospitals should have the right yo refuse anyone for any reason. In today's society, if a hospital were to do that, it will go out of business fast. That's why I say discrimination laws are obsolete. The free market won't tolerate bigoted views.

 

Except by law hospitals must render care to anyone who is in that state. And by law they can't even ask their affiliations, politically, religiously or criminal background.

Apples and Oranges.

If I own a bakery and I don't wish to serve white heterosexual males. Unless those males openly display to me their sexual orientation, I as the baker would be stupid to assume I knew their orientation. It would only be obvious if they displayed in a way to give it away.

Moral of the story . If you don't try and shove your beliefs down the baker's throat and you don't act any differently than their preferred clientele you are most likely going to get served just like everyone else with no issues.

 

I love when straight white Christian men are the experts on discrimination

 

And the nation grows tired of everyone that looks for as many things as possible to blame everyone else on for their problems because they feel discriminated against.

 

But I'm not white.

 

They don’t mean religious freedom. There’s no way these people would extend these freedoms to Muslims. “Religious freedom” is code for condoning bigotry

 

As it appears in your presentation no I don't condone it. But I already do question it. How can a transgender person have previously had an abortion? If he is a former she, he presents as a he....so past abortions are moot. If a she presents and was formally a he, no abortions can be applied. So on the surface it doesn't add up.

But yes the issue is, and this is real world problems. Doctors have a right to abide by their religious beliefs. As an example a Muslim doctor can be taken off the care of Jewish patient if either party desires it. They simply get a different doctor to provide care.

If a hospital receives federal funding of any type, then no they should not be able to discriminate. If however I'm a privately funded hospital, then yes they can pick their patients. They simply do not provide an emergency room, thus bypassing the law that requires care to anyone that is in an emergency need.

And yes any doctor in any private practice can deny care to anyone they choose to. My g/f regularly turned down opioid addicts, rather than treat them. Now she works for a federally funded hospital and has to. Different rules.

 

Newsflash. We have very fine Muslim doctors with medical degrees in the U.S. They were not discriminated against and did the same program just like every other doctor did to get there.

Kind of like how it's supposed to work.

 

Yes to all of those. At the same time athiests can refuse service to Christian. Moral of the story: you control what belongs to you.