Are the Democrats back on track?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    I remember a boy at school he hated cross country running but loved swimming and strangely whenever we had cross country running he had a sick note but every time we had swimming he was perfectly well.

    You claim that such bad things are happening in your life that you don’t have time to debate, answer questions, or address the criticism of what you say - but you insist on pushing your crap ideas and views.

    You said “my life threw me a very unexpected obstacle for the worst” and so you are “going to take a long hiatus from subjects like politics for a while until I get things straightened out

    You went on to explain - For now, until I get my personal and financial life straightened out, I’m limiting my posting to just giving my 2 cents here and there, rather than investing much time in real debate.

    But sorry mate this excuse is beginning to seem at best rather impolite and at worse it just seems like a way to try and pump out your crap without having to address any comeback. Meaning you get to do the thing you like pushing your alt-right viewpoint but don't have to do the thing you are not good at and dislike which is having to back up and defend your views.

    All of us have real lives that take precedent over our cyber lives, but this is a debating forum and if I know I haven’t the time to address issues raised by a post I don’t post. It just seems rather impolite to me to post something knowing in advance that I will be unable to discuss it.

    I don’t post in the forum on many occasions that doesn’t mean I’m not around it just means I'm not posting because I don’t have the time to give it the attention it may need, if its kicks off a discussion.

    Anyway that is my 2 cents.
     
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  2. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    This is your brain on identity politics. By challenging her to a debate, Shapiro (although I can't stand him sometimes) is treating her as an equal. The problem is she knows she'll lose.

    Crying sexism to avoid a debate is not the kind of feminism I want any part of. But that is what feminism has become: finding pretend sexism around every corner.

    What Ocasio-Cortez has accidentally done, is perpetuate the stereotype that women are weak and fragile.
     
  3. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Thank you so much for caring about my well being, you're a true pal.

    If you must know, my personal and financial life is still a mess, but I wanted to excuse myself for a while to straighten things out after the sudden layoff I had. Thankfully, I'm seeing gradual progression to get myself back on my feet once again. I guess dealing with bad news at first can be too jarring to focus much on online discussions. The way i feel, is that it's getting to the point where enough time has passed that I can return to going back to more in-depth discussions.
     
  4. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    It's my brain knowing the difference between taking an analogy in context to understand the point being made, rather than seeing what I want to see in order to fit my preconceived notions so that I can continually push my world view.
     
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  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Well this Ben and Alexandria thing is all over the right wing media a google news search brought up virtually very hack right wing media outlet from Fox news to Russia Today but nothing from any mainstream outlet, it seems to be one of those storms in a teacup that the right want to make ‘THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER

    I mean come on a hardnosed alt-right bully and known liar is all upset because a little girl was nasty to him LOL
     
  6. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Then why are you not addressing the outstanding stuff from before your problems? The ones you said you could not do so because of those problems?
     
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  7. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    He's just a tender little guy, isn't he? :sob:

    I mean clearly it makes no political sense for her to waste time debating him. He's not a politician and no matter how the debate went she wouldn't be scoring any points with the alt right (because they'll claim he won regardless) and she'll already have the vote from the left.
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    LOL and you’ve shown hilariously what a brain is like on alt-right politics
     
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  9. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Seems like a cop out. You wanna stir the pot without feeling any obligation to react to solid criticism. Either do as you say or show you want to be a sincere convo partner please. Thanks in advance :)
     
  10. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    LOL we've been over this before; why white nationalists wouldn't take me in, even if I wanted join their group.

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    The more your ilk calls everything you don't like "racist," the less seriously they will take anything you have to say.

    I mean, FFS you call a religious Jew alt-right in the following post:

    I've seen Ben make Cenk Uygur (the left Alex Jones) look like a complete tool in a debate. AOC knows what she's up against.
     
  11. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    But I didn’t say you were a ‘white nationalist’ I said you push alt-right ideas, you are part of the alt-right, we have been through this at length and you don’t even dispute you promote alt-right ideas.

    And I didn’t say you are racist but again people that aren’t racists don’t have to keep telling people they are not racists.

    Ben Shapiro was the editor of Breitbart and yes they later fell out and started calling each other names but he was the editor of Breitbart
     
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  12. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Here are you own words “Some racists identify alt-right, but the movement is more diverse than that” then you go on to explain that to you the things that define someone as been part of the alt-right are a disgust in corporate globalism, global governance, wasteful interventionism and in despising such things as identity politics and language policing.

    All things that you have promoted in your posts – you self-identify as alt-right.

    (Oh then there are all the posts attacking islam and black lives matter)
     
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  13. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    The definition changes depending on what's convenient.
     
  14. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Have I ever pushed for a white identetarian ethno-state? Have I ever advocated for a peaceful ethnic cleansing? Or are you just making that shit up?

    So when you tell me that you yourself are not a racist, should I disbelieve you; because it's always the racists who say they aren't racist?



    Breitbart is not alt-right. Most of Breitbart's writing staff is of Jewish heritage.
    Just because something leans conservative, doesn't make it white nationalism. I thought you were mature enough to know this, yet I'm amazed I have to explain this to you.

    There was a time before the 2016 election, when Alt-right was a label described by youthful conservative trolls from reddit and 4chan. This alt-right existed before the media discovered Richard Spencer, who took credit for everything about it, and the story was spun. Alt-right used to mean alternative right, which was a form of conservatism that merely didn't comply with establishment conservatism. Once the media spun the story, alt-right forever became a synonym of neo-nazi. I believe I also explained this to you once before as well. The media loves Richard Spencer's alt-right. They weaponize that term to slander anyone they disagree with, just as you do.
     
  15. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Shapiro is a clever troll.

    He has successfully weaponized challenging people into debates. Now we've learned that AOC is a sexist negative feminst stereotype who plays the misogyny card whenever convenient. But I already knew that
     
  16. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Let me get this straight: Shapiro trolls someone by challenging them to debate. Person recognizes Shapiro for what he is and declines, calling him out using an analogy you evidently didn't understand, and therefore she is sexist.

    Got it. Cool logic, bro.
     
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  17. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    6-eyed: something can be alt right without being white nationalistic. You're aware of this right? Seems to me Balbus worded it correctly (and i suspect carefully) and it also seems you misinterprete him.. almost on purpose. Like you're playing a rhetoric game.
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    IDK if he trolled her intentionally, but it turns out he revealed her bigotry. Inviting someone to a discussion to challenge her ideas is not the same as catcalling.

    AOC strikes me as the type of feminist who'd cry sexism if a man held the door open for her.
     
  19. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    We just went over this. Analogous does not mean the same as. I understand you need to change definitions to maintain your untenable position but I'm afraid I've seen that type of debating' style' far too many times to fall for it.

    I've also explained why of course she wouldn't accept, but you conveniently ignored that as well.

    Its really quite amazing how you just stated he was a clever troll (who wants to debate a troll?) who uses debate challenges to make a 'point'. Now when that's inconvenient for you, you're not so sure.

    You damage your own credibility.
     
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  20. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Sounds to me like an attempted loosening of the definition of alt-right, as McFuddles said here:
    So when it's convenient, it's OK to call your opponents an alt-right white nationalist when it's convenient to do so.
     

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