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  1. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Addy? You have a pet name for Hitler?
     
  2. Irminsul

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    I got pet names for everyone hehe.

    Yours is GillaGorilla. :) I rowed with a fella name Steve Gill. We called him GillaGorilla and now that's my name for you haha.
     
  3. hotwater

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    Yes, I’ve seen several TV shows on the Nazi bell including the UFO Files and Hangar 1 and each show had their own separate theories.
     
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    Yeah I mean, Indiana Jones movies weren't far off the truth either, like Hitler had his men searching all over the world ancient artifacts he believed held magical powers that would help his army in battle. Notoriously, there's novel called the Berlin Cross I think, ugh I can't remember, but there was a discussion about that had some validity that suggested that they had in fact, dug the original crucifix that Jesus was nailed to and they carried that all the way into the west with their Blitzkrieg and the myth is, it was stolen away again and they started to decline and on the defensive.

    Probably all bullshit but I find these things interesting lol. Wouldn't at all surprise me if the fact that a lot of high Nazis fled to Argentina, if they'd already had men over in South Amerika looking for ancient Aztec and Maya etc. Artifacts.

    Now of eveything I believe in about aliens and ancient cultures, see I think they really did know aliens and the aliens told them exactly where and what to look for. :p ya know, all in my head but it's fun to ponder.
     
  5. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    How cool would it be if the cross was stolen away from the Nazis by the Jews.

    But since the Jews were responsible for turning Jesus over to the Romans, by possessing the cross, it was a curse on all Jewry,
    which led to their near extermination by way of the death camps.
     
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  6. Irminsul

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    Over the last month we've all put our heads together and come up with some fantastic movie scripts. :p

    I have to read some more into the Nazi UFO stuff. Two catagories I'm interested in yet, put them together and I have not much interest. Lol.

    Pilots from all armies though say they weren't alone in the skies during the war.
     
  7. hotwater

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    I assume you’re referring to the Foo Fighters which btw Tuskegee Airmen 332nd Fighter Group, and the 100th Pursuit Squadron are reputed to have shot-down.


    Eventually a truce between Blacks & Grays was reached.
     
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    Referring to the 5 countries that mattered. American, Russia, England, Germany and Japan. Not all pilots and every mission, but etc. Kinda like some astronauts say, they've seen things. Reports of them just flying along side it formation. I always think, the aliens are like, yeah that's cool and all, but can your single prop do this VROOMSHSHCHHHHHH and just take off.

    They should make a movie about that. It's probably on am xfile I've yet to watch yet lol.
     
  9. storch

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    I've already provided you with many on-scene, eyewitness accounts of what was left of the contents of the Tower--including the concrete. I also told you that unless you can produce something contrary to those accounts, you're just blowing hot air in the hopes that it will turn into something more than hot air. So answer the bloody question. Can you produce something contrary to those on-scene eyewitness accounts, or not?
     
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    Yeah, we all saw the initial explosion in which most of the energy escaped the building through the impact hole. We also know that, according to the NIST, the jet fuel, which ignited the fires, was mostly consumed within the first few minutes after impact. And owing to the visual comparison of the Tower and the volume of jet fuel that flowed away (that comparison can be seen at the bottom of the page at the link below), we know that any talk of it going down the building's structure is pointless.

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf
     
  11. Asmodean

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  12. Firefighters reported molten steel in the aftermath.
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

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    See, a couple posts ago, trying to win a point one way. You said 2/3 of the jet fuel was still there after the initial explosion, a page later trying to win a point another way, you now say it was all consumed initially.

    They were massive explosions.

    Did you really ask whats that got to do with the lobby?

    That rate of expansion, much of what is heading downwards is going to funnel down the elevator shafts, and 3 of the stairwells for that matter.

    Doesnt take that much energy to blow out doors and windows.

    For me that part is a no brainer

    They were massive bloody explosions
     
  14. Vanilla Gorilla

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    See, you are changing the argument again.

    Again, for what is now i think the 6th time, i will ask you, how much of that concrete was pulverized?

    I know YOU DON'T KNOW
     
  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Which means what exactly?

    Say an experienced firefighter, 20 years on the job, you'd immediately assume he knows what he is talking about. Why?

    He would have gone those 20 years never seeing molten steel in a building. More than possibly never having seen molten steel before. Why would he? Theres a certain amount of training none that would imvolve molten steel, why would it. A few of them see something that looks like molten metal, why do you assume they would know its steel?

    Even if they saw an end of a steel girder melted. You might possibly have some girders at the impact zone possibly melt. But it still doesnt have anything to do with anything if you just needed a certain percentage of the steel to warp to bring the towers down.

    Even a structural engineer, why assume they know what they are talking about? They go off to Uni for 3 or 4 years, lucky if they spend 1 term of that relevant to skyscrapers, then they go off into the real world, have all their buliding codes they have to follow mapped out for them anyway. If you sat down with one if them fir half a day, you woukdnt understand everything, but you'd get the jist of what they do, load bearing limits and all that. Theres nothing terribly complex in all of that. Certainly no magical information that cant easily be explained once others have done the number crunching. Why the assumption that some guy that spends 20 years checking the distance between steel columns is really going to have more of a clue about building collapses?.

    One of the scarier parts of post 9/11 was you had all the crazy truthers on one side, but on the other side, you had all the "experts" on the other side, sll the architects, structural, civil engineers across the whole world, who couldnt answer shit, talking out of there ass, none of them can tell you why the south tower collapsed in 54 mins, as opposed to 3 hours. You would need to know the initial dispersal pattern of the impact to be able to work that out. Even then, a mathematician is better suited for the job. Then even then those mathematicians just tweak the inputs to computer modelling until they get what most closely mimics the real world result
     
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    Go ahead and quote the pertinent parts of my posts that you believe contradict each other, and I'll correct your misperception.
     
  17. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Well, its all right there, first quoted post you say NIST says 6947 gallons remain, 2nd quoted post you say same organization, NIST says it was mostly consumed.

    And it now stays there quoted for everyone to see.

    You are totally full of it
     
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    Hmmm. Let's see. I've provided on-scene eyewitness accounts from many and diverse sources as to the composition of the debris. They're all consistent in their assessment that it was nothing but steel and pulverized everything.

    You, on the other hand, have provided nothing to show anything to the contrary. How is it that you feel you have any credibility concerning this issue?
     
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  19. storch

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    No, I told you to produce the quotes from me that are contradictory. You didn't pay attention to what was said.

    Here, I'll help you. I said:

    And you didn't look into exactly how much jet fuel made it into the impact floors, did you? According to the NIST, there were 6,947 gallons of fuel after the initial fireball. Of that 6,947 gallons of fuel, 3,474 gallons remained on the impact floor, while an equal number of gallons flowed away. So your 10,000 gallons claim was an uninformed assumption.
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    All that shows is that your claim of 10,000 gallons was based on something you heard but was too lazy to research to find out if it was true. So what you've done is create yet more reasons to question your credibility.
     
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  20. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Dude, its quoted, there is no backtracking now
     
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