9/11

While human witnesses are not the most reliable source of information to suggest the poster lying is wrong.

I remember back to that time and I specifically remember a few witnesses who said they heard explosions coming from the twin towers, prior to their collapse.

 

Those sounds could be so many things though.

We've established already that certain materials explode etc. Were all the elevators at ground level during the hit? Seems unlikely, yet a cable snapping and an elevator crashing down is most likely going to create a lot of noise. How many elevators were there? A steel elevator crashing down to the basement is going to cause one hell of a bang and echo. Those echo's and vibrations might even have a significant impact on the structural integrity of an already unstable, fragile structure.

You've got pipelines all through buildings, gas, steam, water, sewerage. Doesn't take a genius to work out what happens when a gas line take light. What if they're exploding underground? Well that's going to sound like explosions isn't it?

Its new York city, I seen the movies, there's lots of shit under the concrete lol, including all the lines I mentioned. Not to mention all the electrical systems in place for such a big building. You're going to have units on every single floor. They're not just going to miraculously do nothing while a building burns and crumbles.

 

I agree those sounds could be anything.

I was simply pointing out that their eyewitness testimony lends some credence to the posters alternative theory
and wasn’t simply made-up to support his argument.

 

It's all good, I wasn't really arguing with you, just I had a few thoughts worth noting lol.

Like maybe it's all bogus, but I can only go off what I saw. I saw planes hit the building.

Though I like my elevator theory. but I haven't seen any elevators in the debris, so according to that other guy, that must mean the airplane only had white people in it.

 

No been through this before, the siesmic thing is complete fraud. Saying his source is bullshit, not necessarily the poster

 

I watched a passenger jet enter the second tower.

 

Thats a famous one, it has been disproven

 

I watched the tower fall. It buckled where the plane hit it. Must have been extremely organized planning to plant the thermite in that exact spot.

 

Yeah, a buddy of mines brother saw the whole thing go down too. A lot of us know more than one person who did. It's one reason why for many of us people saying the planes didn't actually hit and all the clever (And not so clever) rationale in order to say they didn't is laughable.

But they're not all on a YouTube video so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

You want to talk conspiracy theories, you all remember the anthrax letters a week after 9/11?

I dont even ever remember hearing they had a suspect, let alone case closed

2001 anthrax attacks - Wikipedia

And it all sounds rather dodgy, main suspect commited suicide in 2008, with of all things tylenol and codeine.

And the FBI actually asked the National Academy of Sciences to review their handling of the case, NAoS said, no real reason to conclude the Anthrax came from this guys lab.


Anyone even remember hearing about them finding the guy? Or was I just on holiday that time or something 2008/9

 

I only just noticed, guy only just signed up today and straight into heavily posting in this thread, posting links to this ae911truth.org

Think it might all just be sneaky spam

 

Your evidence is nonexistent. It consists of two childish lol's.

AE911Truth is made up of over 3,000 professional architect and engineers. For your side, there are no professionals of any stripe defending the US government conspiracy theory. Just a bunch of jokers covered in Cheetos dust with their childish emoticons and lol's.

The U of A Fairbanks WTC7 study has put the final nail in the coffin of those who lamely try to protect the murderers of the 2,996 westerners who were slaughtered on 911 by elements of the US government. The chance of the NIST WTC7 "study" has a zero chance of being true.

As if that is any surprise to any sentient adult with a functioning brain. The free fall of WTC7, admitted by NIST had long ago sunk that fable. Which sinks the totally specious US government conspiracy theory.

 

You can state it forever and a day if you like but you have never provided any evidence for your totally silly conspiracy theory above/

I never said that at all. When a body has such a dismal grasp of the science and the facts he/she should not be making wild, crazy accusations. You still have never provided any evidence for the totally impossible US government official conspiracy theory [USGOCT].

Prove that the "planes" that hit the twin towers were the planes that the USGOCT says.

 

You just noticed. Wow, you really are a pretty special "thinker".

You still haven't provided any evidence for your USGOCT. Conspiracy theorists like you, like all the USG conspiracy theorists have never provided any evidence for their wacky, totally impossible conspiracy theory because there isn't any.

 

You still haven't ever provided a speck of evidence for your USG official conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory with zero evidence and still deluded people believe. Amazing!

 

Uhm, camlok... How is Vanilla Gorilla the conspiracy theorist here?

 

Camlock is trying to reframe the United States government's version of events is the real conspiracy theory, and his version is simply the truth.

 

No its not. i had a look today, you may have managed to get 3000 people to sign the petition, but you seem to have a staff of two, your web guy is listed as a volunteer, so you dont even pay him.

Netcraft lists your website as started in 2006, so its taken 12 years to get those 3000 signatures on the petition

I am guessing you are probably theguy listed as having the "masters in public policy"

This Richard Gage guy, surprised they still let him design buildings, but he seems to be confined to designing high school gymnasiums. He is listed as Richard Gage AIA, one usually has letters after their name signifying an educational level of attainment BsC and the like, not simply that they have joined their industrys' representive body ( American Institute of Architects)

 

This explains it all and provides yet another nail in the coffin of the impossible USGOCT, as if any more evidence was needed
to sink the US government fable/lie/tall tale/fiction/... for which none of the USG conspiracy theorists can provide any evidence.

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Billions of Previously Molten Iron Spheres in WTC Dust, Reveal Use of Thermitic Materials
Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:34
The World Trade Center dust is remarkable due not only to its having blanketed Lower Manhattan 4” to 12” thick in many places, but also for the dark secrets that it would reveal.

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Iron-rich microspheres were so common in the WTC dust that EPA’s WTC panel discussed their use as one of the signature components to distinguish the WTC dust from so-called “background” dust (i.e. common office-building dust).

RJ Lee Group, evaluating the contamination of the Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street, also described these iron-rich spheres, and actually used them as one of their signature markers. In other words, dust wasn’t regarded as WTC dust unless it contained these spheres. The chemical composition and micro-images of twoWTC iron-rich spheres were documented by the US Geological Survey.

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The fraction of microspheres in the dust varied (between 0.2 and 1.3 % for USGS outdoor samples and a mean of 5.87% for all RJ Lee samples) depending on the area where the samples were taken. Due to their shape and density, the spheres were not likely to have traveled as far as other components of the dust. The diameter of the spheres in two evaluated dust samples ranged from about one micron (0.001 mm) to 1.5 mm.

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The microspheres must have been formed at extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center’s destruction – temperatures exceeding the melting point of iron (~2,700° F). The spheres must have been molten when they were created in order to take their spherical shape. Such high temperatures could not have been produced by jet fuel or office building fires, which reach only up to 1,800 °F under the most severe fire conditions. However, the thermite reaction produces molten iron and aluminum oxide as the reaction products. After being ejected into the atmosphere, molten iron droplets would be pulled into roughly spherical shapes by surface tension. They would then cool, solidify, and fall out – preserving in their spherical shape the information that they were once molten, and preserving in their chemical signature information about their origin.

This, along with the chemical makeup of the spheres, was first discussed by physicist Steven Jones and other scientists in two articles published in 2007 and 2008. The chemical signature of several of the spheres shows significant amounts of aluminum, thus matching the signature of thermite residue but not that of steel. Some of these spheres also contain sulfur but no calcium. So the origin of the sulfur cannot be gypsum (from the buildings’ wallboard). Thermate, a special thermite mixture developed by the military, contains sulfur. The chemical signature of many of the WTC dust spheres also "strikingly" matches that of the spheres and spheroids found in the residue of ignited red/gray nanothermite composite chips.

Surely a new investigation is called for that takes into account the minimum 2800° F heat source necessary to create billions of molten iron droplets. Join AE911Truth and the burgeoning 9/11 Truth movement in our pursuit of real answers and accountability from governmental officials who were tasked with explaining the destruction of the WTC towers.

Billions of Previously Molten Iron Spheres in WTC Dust, Reveal Use of Thermitic Materials