The worst band ever

Hair metal is pretty gay. I'm glad it had its heyday in the eighties.

 

One of the common themes I've noticed about your posts is that you are focused on the images of these eras you are discussing rather than the actual music. If you're a Hair Metal fan, that doesn't really come as a surprise.

Both Stones and Zeppelin had a notably stronger attachment to Blues music. You can feel the blues in their music, with all hair metal I've heard, they don't really embody that spirit, even a song or two I've heard that has a blues progression, it's really polished and doesn't feel sincere. Most the music felt overly polished and manufactured. Even Van Halen, whom I actually like, still sounds kind of cheeky when they are playing blues in a song like "Ice Cream Man."

 

Hey now!

All those crossdressers were straight, thank you very much. We got Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Joan Jett, Carrie Brownstein, Tegan and Sara...you guys got Poison.

Own it!

 

That post is a mic drop...


Hopefully on C.C. Deville's nutsack

 

Wow. Never had a mic drop moment.

I'm gonna enjoy this one for awhile

 

Are we miked?

 

Wait... Freddie Mercury was gay? !

 

It's just a hunch, but I think maybe so

 

I didn't mean it in the homosexual sense. Its just gay like most of the eighties.

I also really don't feel adressed/can't identify with the sentence 'you guys got Poison.' btw: i also dislike nu metal and most grunge. Together with hair metal definitely the worst stuff associated with metal.

 

I was just giving you shite. I know you didn't mean it that way.

 

The first three albums of Metallica are some good stuff from the eighties.

 

In the broadest possible sense there are two "schools" of heavy metal pre-1980s (kind of like how there are two schools of jazz tenor playing, you're either a Hawkins disciple or a Lester Young disciple).

Theres the European school: Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Budgie, Rainbow, Judas Priest, etc.
There's the US school: Van Halen, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, Kiss, Alice Cooper, etc.

In the 80s the stuff generally considered to be "heavy metal" was bands influenced by the European school and the slightly later NWOBHM offshoot. This extended into newer genres like thrash, doom, power metal (the 80s definition of the term, not the modern definition of the term), etc. Thrash then later begat further offshoots like death metal.

The "hair metal" stuff was generally bands influenced by the US school...and mostly Van Halen to be honest. The US school to me has always been right on that cusp of hard rock/heavy metal, generally being more focused on upbeat party rock and stuff that "chicks dig".

The influence of Led Zeppelin kind of falls somewhere in between the two schools as Plant's stage presence was a popular influential thing for hair metal vocalists to emulate...if you could mix Plant and Steven Tyler together you basically have every frontman for every commercial metal act during the entire decade.

This is of course an over-simplification, but I think it works from a cursory standpoint. If you read interviews with Motley Crue or Ratt during the 80s they always listed bands like Kiss and Aerosmith as primary influences. If you read interviews with bands like Metallica or Slayer they usually mentioned Sabbath, Deep Purple and all the NWOBHM bands. Anybody who thinks hair metal bands didn't care about the music is just ignorant. They cared no more or less than musicians in any other rock genre. Not saying it was all gold, but the implication that because of their appearance they didn't care about the songs is just asinine. Any thought that musicians in thrash or speed metal or just rock bands didn't care about the way they looked is also completely misguided.

 

See, metal is MUSIC, it is not a religion or ideology.. If the sound is metal, then that's what it is, metal.
It DOESN'T have to be about "death and pain", it can be about love, sex and MONEY.
And that "looking like girls" shit, that's what it all about! That's what rock has been telling the world from the rise of rock'n roll in the 50's too now, REVOLUTION! Now your REAL metal let no talent mindless gold tooth rappers take over the music industry. Way to Go!! "Hair" metal was the best for two reasons. 1 it was incredibly fun, and people who would rather listening to screaming shit (which is not music) are obviously disturbed 2. all the music of that generation you could rock out to, you can't rock out to screaming. 3 (whoops there's more) those guys got more girls than anyone. I have seen Pic's of Metallica in the early 80's before they moved to S.F. when they lived in L.A. wearing Blue Spandex - No Lie! It was called metal at the time, not hair metal or anything like that. this means it is metal. It has the same power chords etc, riffs etc, it is metal! W.A.S.P. are the most raw sounding 'glam'(actually read metal as that is what those bands are) band ever. They have songs about taking drugs, love, sex, violence, fuck everybody, everything really. Nirvana made everyone forget about talent and ended up creating a fake scene when they were starting off complaining about one. Their biggest hit is a pixies rip off. I say they suck, basically.

 

Can you elaborate on Nirvana ruining music and creative g bands most of us hate?

I don't even listen to Nirvana, but I can't thank them enough for what they did. They're one of the most important bands of all time.

Not a fan of the music, but thank fucking GOD for Nirvana and everything that came out of Washington in the 90s.

 

Thank God I don't give a shit

 

Those guys got more girls than anyone. Metal never had a larger audience until hair metal. Plain and simple. People got sick of Grunge quicker than they did Hair Metal. Hair metal filled a void. Most 60s and 70s acts were on the decline, or were "owned" by the baby boomer generation. New wave had declined by that time. There was "serious" rock by Springsteen, U2, et al, but that again tended to be more serious and less fun. Punk/alternative had all the posturing about credibility of the listener. If you were a young kid trying to get into that music someone who already listened to it would be as likely to sneer at you as welcome a new fan.

Hair metal had a rock image. Beyond the power ballads those bands did have up tempo material, though it seems those songs were never hits on the level of the ballads. And there wasn't the self-conciousness of punk-alternative. They were just bands trying to make it big, sell tickets and records, make good music. I don't recall Elvis or The Beatles sneering at potential fans the way punk/alternative always did. Different time, more of a generational thing, but back then it was "Don't Knock The Rock", just people trying to have a good time.

 

Punk and alternative always sneered at fans? I'm not sure what that even means...

???

 

There was no implication (at least from me) that hair metal bands didn't care at all about their songs. But I'm sure Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez care about their songs, so I'm not sure that says much.

You asked about a notable difference between hair metal era and Zeppelin/Stones and I am saying Hair Metal bands weren't as intrinsically tied to the spirit of the Blues, or even psychedelic and folk really for that matter, as Zeppelin or the Stones. They focused more on production and provided a less raw sound. I think it's patently obvious but if not, that is my explanation as to why some younger generations might gravitate towards those classic rock bands, while not embracing hair metal bands.

 

Grunge bands destroyed rock and metal, opened the gates for stupid people with no talent to pretend to make rock music. This is not what rock deserved to become, they have no technique, no talent, no guitar solos, no knowledges in making good sounds, their "alternative" music is the reason why nowadays we dont have good music, they destroyed all. Look what we have now. Rock is DEAD. There are no bands like in the 80s, there are no talented people in this style of music anymore. Stage is full of what you name nowadays "metal" and "rock". Back then this music had a soul, technique, you should have been really talented to get famous. There was a respect for this kind of music. But these fuckers closed the gates for real talents and opened them for dumbs and another pieces of shit. Heavy Metal and rock in the 80s had a soul, there was a balance in melody\drive, there were much more harmony, which your boys from grunge bands didn't have enough brains to understand, they just simply call it "glam". The fact that glam bands used to dress up like women and have stupid haircuts does not mean glam was worse or something like that. Those guys were much more talented, they knew their instruments better, they loved to make really good music, not just for people with no brain, no musical taste and soul. Thanks to Nirvana for Biebers, Kardashians and other pieces of shit. Good job grunge. It's all about what resulted from killing mainstream of the 80s. How ironic, they claimed to be the so-called "saviors" of rock music when actually they are the reason why we have all these whiny emo, screamo, & metalcore bands today.
They make it seem like once Nirvana's Nevermind was released it literally shattered the glam/sunset strip sound which is complete bullshit. Guns N Roses' Use your illusions were released around the same time as nevermind and they shitted on Nirvana. It wasn't until early in 1993 when it Grunge started to outrun the Glam L.A sound. Def Leppard released Adrenalize in 1992 that was arguably selling more than nirvana.

 

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