Can God cure as well as kill? Should God kill or cure?

You do realize that all the you say after you say God is or isn't, that you are setting limits on God.

You are creating God in your image, as you should.

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I call them as I see them. Stop posting like a child. Please.

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Regardless of your affiliations or ideology, and knowing that words like genocidal have been attached to Yahweh, is Yahweh a good entity to you?

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No issue can be isolated completely from other issues and I create logic trails.

As to your first sentence, I see that as a lie, since you did not give an example.

Please prove your lie.

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I'd say Yaweh as depicted in the OT myths is something like a projection of negative human traits magnified into a god. An iron age king.

 

OK - here's my 'example' - If the Cathars didn't believe in the literal truth of reincanation as you have asserted is the case, tell us exactly in you own words how the Cathars understood that particular belief.

There you are. An unsupported assertion made by you which I'm clearly asking you to now support.

Something tells me I'm not going to get a straight answer.

 

I agree.

Christians use those negative human traits as their best example for humans to emulate. They call evil good.

Any human that will not try to reverse that insanity is not doing his duty to humanity.

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Since I'm neither gravity nor electromagnetism, your comment makes no sense. Even mystics acknowledged that it is possible to say what God is not. Why do you use as your avatar a character that's the treacherous, conniving seducer in Disney's Jungle Book movie?
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I am no longer a Christian. Thanks to GreatestIAm, I am now a Gnostic.

 

Christians I've encountered are more focused on Jesus than the Yaweh of the OT. Some also on Mary the Mother of God. 'The Imitiation of Christ' by Thomas a Kempis is I believe the 2nd best selling Christian book after the Bible. Not 'The Imitation of Yaweh'.

Anyway, given those 2 other examples, one of whom you claim to follow, I think you're wide of the mark saying Christians seek to emulate negative traits. Quite the reverse..

 

There is good and evil in all questions and answers. Duality rules.

Gnosis is what Gnostic Christianity is all about. Knowledge that resides in our minds. The bible depicts what happens in our minds. It is there that the Jesus mind resides and where he is crucified, resurrected has his trials etc. It is innate in all of us but few find it. It is our Father Complex. All Natural. No supernatural.

The Chrestian part of the bible, the root of almost all of the world's religions, posits a human, good man ideology as the highest form of excellence. It is a superior ideology to all others and that is why I chose to label myself a Gnostic Christian. The Cathars I believe, would say that not only is the only good Christian a Cathar, but that good Christians will recognize that they are calling their evil God good. They will change their label. That is why the term of demiurge was quick to be used by Gnostic Christians. We believe in fighting evil.

I know that the popular conception is that Cathars believed in reincarnation. They did but in the sense that it happened in our minds and not in reality. I believe that all the reincarnation memories come through as a part of our instinct package and Father Complex. It is all in our DNA.

Even the nomenclature of the brain is in scriptures with bang on descriptions in allegorical form. A quick look at the creation painting depicts God in our minds.

Christianity pulled our God out of us but people are now recognizing it and reclaiming their birth rite. Happy days for us and atheist churches.

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Homophobia and misogyny bely that. Just to name two of many traits that follow Jesus and his overall, Rome created, ideology. Rome fell.

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I think that it's unlikely they thought of it in purely psychological terms as you are suggesting. There isn't a scrap of evidence to suggest that, and it's more like a modern kind of rationalization than the way medievals thought. But you are entitled to your opinion. The question of course arises : why bother with such a belief if it just means that things change in our heads, or that we change through time? It would seem to be a pointless extravagance.

With the idea that past life memories reside in some way in DNA we're going away from pseudo esoterica into the realm of pseudo science. And really it isn't particularly likey that people in the 13th century had any such notions.

I think it's equally spurious to imagine that scriptures contain some kind of coded scientific information. You seem to be projecting modern concepts and modes of thinking back in time.

From your posts I'd say you appear to be very much a materialist. Not a person with a spiritual turn of nature, but purely on a mental level, which you take for the entire reality.

 

I know Christians who are neither homophobic or mysoginistic. Liberal Anglicans. In the USA they're called episcopalian - the US branch upset the slightly more conservative Brits when they elected an openly gay bishop a few years back - Jeffrey John if I recall. Not very homophobic. And they have women priests.

 

I am aware of America's hate preachers - but to me they're just vile scum who use Christianity as a way to avoid prosecution. Not anything I'd call 'Christian'.

 

Your answer makes no sense. Rome didn't invent homophobia and misogyny. Both were borrowed from the Jews. Progressive Christians today reject both.

 

I'd say that the same is true of prgressively minded Jews today - they too reject homophobia and misogyny. Regardless of what religion it's only hate filled people who go on with such abominable attitudes in western civilization.

Looking back again to late antiquity - the gnostics seem to have held views that were diametrically opposed with regard to sex and sexuality in general. Some were very much anti-body, anti-sex, others took a kind of libertine view. Some groups seem to have been mainly homosexual.

Generally one of the big themes of Gnosticism we haven't really touched on is the concept of the feminine divine, and also the role of women. It seems both were of importance to the gnostics of antiquity. Some for instance thought that Mary Magdelen was Jesus closest disciple.

The Cathars on the other hand were pretty much anti-sex, although women were regarded as equal to men within the religion. The Perfects, both women and men, took a vow of complete celibacy at the time of the consolamentum. I have no idea what they thought about homosexuality, but probably they would have thought of it as equivalent to sex in general.

 

Great. Maybe you can tell us what GreatestIAm seems not to be able to: what the hell do you mean that you're a Gnostic? And you say you're no longer a Christian. I hope you know that most Gnostics, even GreatestIAm, were/are Christians. BTW, I'm also essentially Gnostic, by which I mean that I think Jesus' mission was to enlighten us instead of to die for us. Historically, it had nothing to do with hate of mainstream Christians, which seems to be the main feature of GreatestIAm's version. As best I can make out, GreatestIAm's Gnoticism is an idiosyncratic syncretic grab bag if odds and ends he picks up from YouTube--Joseph Campbell, Karen Armstrong, etc.--and mislabels "Gnostic", defined as whatever he happens to believe (but won't fully disclose to us).

 

Evolution is a process of mass eliminations, more than anything. Utopian gardens do not breed intelligence. Apparently neither does modern society. Gods are delusions of intelligent socially dependent predators. Coping mechanisms, distractions from reality, but the reality is that life is a survival competition. Killing is the game, you wouldn't be here without killing, we wouldn't be intelligent without chasing meat. Humans are a complicated species, we have the desire to nurture and be good, as well as fight and kill to survive. The bible reflects that. The God fantasy has to accommodate all of mans needs, from cuddling to slaughtering.