Can God cure as well as kill? Should God kill or cure?

You misuse the word believe as it pertains to our myths and are quite eager to believe what the inquisitors lied about to justify their murders.

Like us not liking sex.

Give your head a shake. You hold many facts. You just do not know how to apply them and would maker Gnostic Christians as brain dead as all others who read myths literally.

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DL

 

He was talking about the Cathars. Not you in the royal sense

 

The Cathars would tell any who did not like sex that they were not normal.

Only a fool would think that average people do not like sex.

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DL

 

If I understand the Gnostic belief correct then on of it is that there is an unknowable God, who gave rise to many lesser spirit beings called Aeons.

Is this not supernatural as well?

 

There were many sects within and outside of Christianity that took a dim view of sex and practiced celibacy. Paul recommended it as the best way of living. The Jewish Essenes and Therapeutae practiced it. Buddhst monks and nuns regard it as a permanent vocation, and Hindus make it part of the samnyasa stage of life. Some religious communities in the early United States, like the Shakers and the Rappites, were celibate. It' wasn't a question of not liking sex. It was a matter of believing it was inappropriate and should be suppressed by self control. Celibacy isn't the sort of thing the Inquisitors would make up about the Cathars, because at the time, celibacy was held in high regard by the Church, as the preferred way of life.. It wasn't until the Reformation that that attitude changed.

All of our existing records of the Cathars indicate they were indeed highly ascetic and that their elite of initiates, the Perfecti, practiced celibacy. If you say otherwise, you need to provide evidence of your own, apart from mere assertions. The Cathars are thought to have gotten their beliefs from the Bogomils , who got them from the Paulecians of eastern Anatolia and Armenia--areas that were exposed to long traditions of dualism and asceticism including Marcionites, Manicheans, Zoroatrians, and Nestorians.

 

Of course it is.

 

Yes. From our myths. Those myths were intentionally written to give arguing/debate points to enhance the seeking of God.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?



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DL

 

Look up the history of the first few depraved and carnal Popes.

I should need say no more.

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DL

 

Non sequitor. The morals and sex lives of popes have nothing to do with those of ascetic, celibate sects, except to supply a reason why those sects were ascetic and celibate. Most of the known "depraved and carnal popes", including the Borgia popes, came after the time of the Cathars, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, notable exceptions being Sergius III, John X, and John XII. Others who were not celibate had been married and widowed before taking holy orders, or were already married when taking holy orders (something that was allowed back then). Saint Peter was apparently married, since the Bible mentions his mother-in-law.

The Cathars, however, were ascetic, and the Perfecti were unmarried.

"Implications of Cathar Beliefs
The idea that human beings were sparks of light trapped in tunics of material flesh had a number of logical consequences:

1. Procreative sex was bad, since conception would result in another soul being trapped. For this reason, normal sex between man and wife was as bad as any other procreative sex. Marriage was worthless, while contraception was regarded with approval. Also, there was no reason to condemn any form of non-procreative sex.
2. The less one had to do with evil (ie material) things, the better. Eating animals, or animal products, was particularly abhorred, though fish were allowed (as they were thought to reproduce asexually and were not therefore able to imprison a soul).
3. The sooner we can shed this tunic of flesh, the sooner our souls could be free to fly like a spark of light back to heaven, the realm of the good God. There was therefore no reason to discourage suicide."Cathar Beliefs, doctrines, theology and practices..."

Cathar Beliefs, doctrines, theology and practices




https://www-tc.pbs.org/inquisition/pdf/TheCatharHeresy.pdf
The Cathars, the 'Friends of God'

 

B.S.

"celibacy was held in high regard by the Church"

You are saying that a bunch of whore screwing clergy held celibacy in high regard, when they had no regard for it for themselves.

Sure, I would show the same public regard too as that would leave more whores for me.

Not that I am that type of guy.

You are great for having facts, but do not seem to be able to connect dots berry well.

You do not seem to know that men outnumbered women by a fair bit and the more men the religious controllers could convince to not desire women, the more peaceful the city state would be.

Like Gnostic Christian beliefs, you just can't seem to connect the dots.

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DL

 

No, I said just the opposite. One reason for the rise of Catharism in Europe was a desire for a purer way of life than that offered by the example of the church hierarchy, whose practices didn't match the church's teachings.

 

Can you say that church teaching are worthy teachings when their inquisitors use murder instead of decent moral arguments to grow their religion?

I will not.

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DL

 

Those events were centuries old. The Church responsible was the Catholic Church, and it doesn't do such things anymore. Methodists, Quakers, Disciples of Christ, UCC, etc., weren't involved. You seem to be stuck in the past. Welcome to the Twenty-first century.

 

We've already been over that. He's going in circles now because the feedback and questions he's receiving doesn't suit him

 

You do not seem to recognize the lower level inquisitors who preach against women and gays with their vile denigration and discrimination without a just cause.

Welcome to reality.

Why are you defending such vile religious moral concepts and those who promote them?

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DL

 

Such a little mind.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

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DL

 

I'm not discussing you as a person. Just stating a observation about the lack of quality in the discussion about ideas and events (which unfortunately is primarily on you).
Btw, so you consider yourself average at best? Since you keep going back to the inquisitions

 

What those two points have to do with each other is beyond my present understanding, and your comment was indeed personal. I have not put myself above average, but from a moral perspective, I am a cut above those who idol worship a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

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DL

 

Congrats with that. All your convo partners still feel you're dodging the exact questions though, so that was valid to point out.