Can God cure as well as kill? Should God kill or cure?

That is what you are doing.

You do not even want to believe Gnostic Christian authors.

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Because we are a cut above as we have incorporated the best of all thinking systems and discarded the rest.

That is what esoteric ecumenism is all about.

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We were talking about the Cathars of the 13th century, not modern Gnostic rvivalists.

Fact is that in many spiritual traditons, some Hindu and Buddhist for instance, celibacy is practiced, and in others it plays no role. To project your own sexuality back in time onto 13th century people is as pointless as projecting your modern atheist tendency.

I am not seeking your help - just to keep your line of disinformation in check.

 

Read the Gnostic scriptures and they are filled with references to the supernatural. Indeed, the existence of the 'supernatural' is the entire reason for Gnosticism to exist.

 

Who is "we"? Is there a community or group that shares your beliefs? Please don't just say Gnostics, because your beliefs are quite different from those of most other modern Gnostic groups.

 

When you take the text out of context then you are left with a con.

 

That is just laughable, so your supernatural myths are fine because it leads to debate to find God, but everyone else's is all crap?

I watched the video you posted. All it is to me is some random guy's thoughts of religious history. One will be stupid to take it at face value and all of a sudden believe that everything you were taught is wrong.

 

When has there only been one homogenous set of mystery schools, and why do you keep shooting this dead horse?

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I can agree with that. Our friend has never shown the right context on anything that he said was out of context.

I did change my mind on one quote the one time, something about Jesys killing all who would not follow him, but that was the only time I can remember.

Those who yell, "out of context, almost never correct as they are mostly just trying to lie or deflect.

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I do not recall saying that. Thanks for trying to mislead.

I have said that reading the Christian myths, or any myth, literally, is really dumb.

If all you are going to do is lie about what I put, go away, or at least have the couth to quote it.

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He is a noted author. Just above that link is another that I think you might have missed and that is what you should have looked at first before the second which I gave as a complimentary piece to it.

You ma have been thrown off stride.

Please return to it.

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Because you keep talking about we and us without specifying.

 

I have said that the Cathars are the closest. If that is not good enough ----

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There are present day Cathars?

 

But as we've pointed out, their beliefs were practically the opposite of yours. If they're the closest, you're pretty much on your own.

 

Yes. Check google for their location.

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Your off the mark.

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Cagey answer, leaving it up to us to figure out who "they" are, and allowing you to say we got the wrong site, try again. For example, I clicked on The Cathar Legacy: Cathar Vestiges, Repercussions and Survivals

This site presents extensive information about Cathars, corroborating that they were dualistic, highly ascetic, hostile to sex--very unlike what yuo've presented to us. It asks.
"Do Cathars Still Exist Today?
"It depends what you mean. If you mean 'Are there people living today who claim to be Cathars ?', then the answer is Yes. If you mean "Are there people who live like Cathars, and believe what the Cathars believed ?', then the answer is also Yes.But neither of these answers tells the whole story. For example, quite a few of the people calling themselves Cathars will tell you that they are reincarnated Cathar Parfaits. But a central Cathar belief was that on their deaths Parfaits were released from the cycle of rebirth. Which means that either these modern Cathars hold to a belief system that they know to be wrong, or that they are impostors who have not troubled to do their homework." (emphasis mine)

Then there are The modern day Cathars and http://cathar.org/about/the-cathars-of-xxi-century/telling about "the modern day Cathars" led by John Bogomil:
"The depth of Cathar teaching is astonishing because it tells us that man was born in heaven from the last myrrhic drop of love of our Most high and that he is immortal and divine. As each soul approaches earth the prince of this world fraudulently makes the adaptive remodeling with her and as a consequence the soul forgets about the good Father, the heavenly fatherland, and mistakenly confesses the prince of this world, as her father and creator." Doesn't sound like your group either.

Andrew Phillip Smith, in New Dawn magazine, tells of neo-Cathars and the modern day Cathar revival. "The three most influential neo-Cathars of the twentieth century would be Antonin Gadal and Deodat Roché, both born in 1877 and from the Languedoc, and the German Otto Rahn." Gadal and Roché are described as having had eccentric ideas about the Cathars. Rahn became an SS officer sharing Himmler's fascination with myth and the occult and obsessed with a possible linkage between the Cathars and the Holy Grail. Then there was the French novelist Maurice Magre who thought the Cathars represented a form of Buddhism, and Simone Weil, aJew who became a Christian mystic with powerful visions that Christ possessed her. There was also Arthur Guirdham, a British psychiatrist who believed in reincarnation. Smith closes with the remarks:"A worldview is different from history, yet esoteric or alternative worldviews often make historical claims. These are in tension with each other. I always have mixed feelings about these claims. As something of a romantic myself, I admire and somewhat envy those who can take the ball and run with it. On the other hand, claims which are insisted on as historical should be verifiable." Amen.

French writer Jean Parvulesco has characterized French writer Raymond Abellio (aka, Georges Soulès) as a closet Cathar, although there is little evidence to back up the claim.Raymond Abellio: A Modern Day Cathar? – Gnostic.Info So that's all I've been able to turn up. Your turn.

 

IMO people now who claim to be Cathars are a bit like the people in Britain who claim to be Druids. It's all as old as the 19th century romantic imagination. In both cases little is known about the practices of the actual historical groups,and that little comes from their enemies, the Church and the Romans respectively.

Smith's Book 'The Lost Teaching of the Cathars' is quite good. He goes into modern revivalists etc in some depth.
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I can find Gnostic Churches but none that use a pure Cathar ideology. Not surprising that.

There may never be one since most religions are shrinking.

The Cathar ideology is still the closest I know to how I practice my Gnostic Christianity.

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