2020 Election

Exactly, he has the pedigree. He's the last of the old Washington democrats and the only chance for 2020. The rest of that gaggle needs to graciously step down and make a path for Biden. If he wins, all the hard left fantasies will have 4-8 years of time to develop into more viable candidates.

I mean really, does anyone think Buttigag will drag the "first husband" into the white house this time around? Novel, sure, but viable? Harris honked on more man meat than Monica and built a substantial career out of it. So how will she be treated by Saudi Arabia, Iraq or DR Congo?

With the economy as it is, built on a house of straw and Big Macs, who will pull the country firmly into 21st century economic leadership?

 

I'm now curious if abortion will be a factor in the coming election cycle. The state of Alabama has basically made abortion illegal and set up a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court. I'm kinda surprised a thread hasn't been created to address this mess.

 

From feelthebern.org, Lol
Going to Afghanistan was very popular at the time, no one knew at the time the US was going to be manipulated into going into a decades + long military occupation of Iraq a year later
To his credit, he has been very outspoken about reclaiming congressional powers to authorize acts of war in recent years and believes the presidency has been given too much power to authorize acts of war since 911

 

Biden voted to repeal Roe v. Wade. Why don't you ask him. I know one vote he won't be getting. Mine. As requested by Biden supporters, four more years of Trump. You've got nobody but yourselves to blame, so I don't want to hear any bitching when it comes to pass. Mmmkay.

 

Ok ok... I hear ya.

I just don't like feeling like we're all in for a back to back sham. I like Biden though. It's like he speaks to what I believe the country to be about. I don't know that I get that feeling from what anyone else is talking about. And I'm not saying his policy can't be improved upon. Heck, I don't even know what his policy is aside from the foreign policy link posted earlier. I did like what I read there. But there are lots of people talking about really good stuff. It just kind of feels like it won't ever get the support it needs, y'know?

 

I don’t believe it’s in this nations interest to elect Trump or Biden, or Sanders or any other baby boomers. My generation has had its chance and look at the mess we have made. The climate change debacle is reason enough to discount any of us old farts that let this happen.

 

Most people don't care what our government is doing.

 

I don't blame Sanders harshly for that vote in 2001, though the wording wasn't vague that it could be used to target anywhere on earth. Politicians should change their views over time when presented with new information. I suppose I'm frustrated by the Bernie/Trump voters position because I have tried to analyze it, and I still don't really get it.

The algorithm I use is to assign weight to specific policies, put them on each scale, and eventually the heaviest wins. I'm not a robot, so of course personality tips my scales too.

I assume Republicans assign different weight to different policies. And they're often in an alternative infotainment fairy tale, but that's a whole other thing. But I generally understand where they place value in their policies, and why they do it, and I don't think most of them are bad people. I just don't get Bernie/Trump voters math.

 

To me, character is more important than policies. Putting a morally bankrupt, narcissistic, power hungry, incompetent bufoon like Trump in the Oval Office is just a bad idea, regardless of where he stands on issues or how well the economy happens to be doing. The risks of him screwing up really badly are just too great.

 

This is the first time I heard of this:

How was he a beneficiary of it?

 

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly...you dont understand why people choose to support Sanders or Trump?

 

Bernie is easy enough to figure out. He's been fairly consistent over a long career. He doesnt take corporate money, he has integrity. He's the only politician really willing to fight for single payer healthcare; other Democrats are just paying it lip service now because of him. He favors policies that will help the working class rather than corporations and monied interests. He favors policies that have worked well in Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. He wants to overturn Citizens United.
Etc.
I'm kinda baffled why you wouldnt understand why people support him?

Trump is trickier. I think despite what people say about the economy and Trump being a "businessman," a lot of his support does boil down to nativism and clinging to a world where white men rule everything

 

No.. people who switched from supporting Sanders in the primary to Trump in the general.

 

Oh, haha. Well that makes more sense. Just go ahead and disregard my previous post

I dont get that one either. The two are on opposite ideological poles

 

Sanders didn't jump on the bandwagon. He started the bandwagon. He never was anything but an anti-establishment outsider. He started all of the talk on the policies that are now our major talking points. It's not like everyone else was talking about those damned billionaires and then Bernie was like, "Oh, well if they're doing it, I will too!" Jesus. If it wasn't for Sanders, Clinton would have gotten through the race talking about how tragic 9/11 was and repeating "That's not MY AmeriCA!" Just like Biden, she has no substance.

Donna Brazile leaked debate questions to Hillary. No one on Bernie's side was taking any ques from Donna Brazile. We all hated her. If you think Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn't playing favorites with Clinton, you need to have your head examined. The DNC does everything in its power to make sure that establishment candidates always win, in collusion with our national media.

The reason Bernie followers thought it was rigged had a lot more to do with CNN's coverage of Hillary Clinton's empty podium for an hour while Bernie was speaking to a crowd of thirty thousand people than anything Donna Brazile said. The entire campaign season went down much the same way. The DNC and the Clinton campaign got caught red-handed conspiring to promote Trump, who they thought would be easy to beat. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Clinton DIDN'T have the support she needed. She could barely beat Donald fucking TRUMP, and in fact, she DIDN'T beat Donald Trump. She LOST, She was that unpopular. The reason she lost is because she was a shitty candidate who was loathed by millions, Democrat and Republican alike. It's not anybody's fault that she lost except her own and the DNC and national media that tried to shove her down our throats.

 

Not to mention yearss of congressional investigation into Whitewater, Vince Foster's deatth, Benghazi, her emails, etc. by a party that now seems to think Congress has no business investigating anything.