Antifa attacks Asian American Journalist Andy Ngo

Panic

Ok so let’s unpack you post.

So what would you suggest are good policies to address that?

A better distributive taxation system,

A better funded welfare system,

Universal healthcare,

Better funded public education system,

Better environmental regulations

….what?

Yes I keep saying this but the question is what do you think needs to be done about it?

Limit wealth sponsored propaganda?

You mean the people that refuse to enter into open and honest debate, who evade, misdirect and even lie.

How about those that refuse to even talk to those that criticise their views?

The people that can’t defend their ideas so run away from discussion of them?

Who does that remind you of on this forum?

But what is your definition of a ‘centrist’ and what is seen as ‘too far left’?

I’ve know people here who seemed to see virtually anything to the left of their right wing libertarian viewpoint as akin to socialist collectivism.

I know people that think of themselves as right wingers who are very much in favour of the publically funded NHS (and opposed to creeping privatisation).

I mean if you have a political landscape that is skewed to the right with very little pull from the left then the ‘centre’ is going to be still right wing compared to a more balanced landscape.

In the US there has been little pull from the left for over 60 years (since the right wing purges of the 40-50’s) so it seems to me that the US leans very much toward the right.

So someone would really need to explain what they see as a centrist position and then say why they think those ideas are ‘better’ than alternatives.

 

I see. The standard "fake news" defense--all news being fake except sources that support your own point of view. National Review, a conservative publication, was one of those sources I cited. Do you seriously think the events didn't happen? And where did that lurid coverage that started off this thread come from? Is Louder with Crowder the kind of source we should trust?

 

I'd put the real "players" at more like ,01%, supported by the 1% and more broadly by the 10% which public opinion experts call the "attentive public". False consciousness has always been a problem with the petit bourgeois and lumpenproletarian types who support identitarian nativist movements like the Alt Right. false consciousness SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals As a result of the social psychological phenomenon of "relative deprivation", in which perceived deprivation is always relative to a "comparative reference group", RELATIVE DEPRIVATION they will usually see their enemies as those who are one step below them or above them in the pecking order. And this is how Fascist movements are born.

A fatal flaw in Marxism is its tendency to overestimate the power of class interest as a motivator, and to underestimate the force of status consciousness, religion, and nationalism, which it relegates to "superstructure". For a case study in how a state which was once a hotbed of populist activism was tamed to follow the conservative Republican line, see historian Thomas Frank's What's the Matter With Kansas. By pushing "hot button" cultural issues like abortion, gay marriage and immigration, the one percenters of the economic elite were able to get voters to view "cultural elitists" (liberal journalists and college professors) as their real enemies and accept policies that were against the economic interests of a majority of Kansans while being diverted to unwinnable "culture wars". The same thing happened in my state of Oklahoma. And it's happening now, "right here in River City" with the MAGA brigade.


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But this doesn’t address the issue that has been raised here – I mean if this is a concern about the rise of political extremist violence why do you seem to be so quiet about right wing violence but make such a big deal about this incident?

Why is it you seem so desperate to play down right wing violence and so enthusiastic about highlighting extremist left wing violence?

 

I remember this movie well!

 

What about them? I've always said right wing collectivism is as evil as left wing collectivism.

Not all collectivists are racist. But all racists are collectivist.

 

It could. Which is why I don't condone political violence from any direction.

I think it would benefit the left in general to speak out against left wing violence rather than defend it. Which I'm seeing a lot of lately. Antifa's sole mission is to sabotage, intimidate, and silence. In a way, they are their own worst enemy.

And it's true that left wing violence, bigotry, and lunacy IS drawing a lot of support away from left wing causes. And it's a beautiful thing <3

https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/

Which is why I don't condone sabotaging events and rallies organized by my opposition. I don't care how horrible your opinion is, I'll let you speak. But if you physically attack me, I'll swing back.

Not the USA per se. Western civilization in general it seems.

 

Don't you think it would benefit the right in general to speak out against right wing violence? (Crickets chirping). And Brandon Straka again? You can't be serious?

I think you and other self-styled defenders of "western civilization" are its real enemies: throwbacks to the Visigoths and Vandals at its gates. The tribalism inherent in Great Replacement paranoia is inimical to the traditions of reason and humaneness that made the West great. Betcha most of you couldn't pass a basic quiz on the history of western civilization or western philosophy.

 

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I'm afraid theres a lot of truth in that.

 

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The problem is that your post also doesn’t address the issue that has been raised here – I mean if this is a concern about the rise of political extremist violence why do so many right wingers seem to be so quiet about right wing violence but are making such a big deal about this incident?

I mean why do right wingers so often try to shift the blame away from right wing views (they may even hold) when its right wingers that are doing the violence.

For example yourself - these days whenever alt-right violence comes up you try to deflect the blame away from the right and onto the left (even when at one time you used to be proud to be part of the alt-right).

So when the anti-Muslim and racist fueled Portland stabbing came up in a thread you tried to claim Jeremy Christian was not a right winger but a Bennie Sanders supporter.

The same Jeremy Christian who shouted at his trial -“Death to the enemies of America. Leave this country if you hate our freedom," Death to antifa! You call it terrorism. I call it patriotism! You hear me? Die.”

Antifa

I mean the violent alt-right push an anti-Muslim and anti-feminist message and guess who does the same – well yes yourself

You are well known here for your attacks on Islam and as to your views on feminism they are exemplified by your ‘joke’ - I'd never fuck a feminist. Bestiality is illegal where I'm from’.

And you are constantly parroting the same views as violent alt-righters such as the belief that liberals and lefties are a threat to ‘western civilization’.

Oh you backtrack whenever you are pulled up on it….but then the ideas are already out there festering in the minds of those that don’t take the time to sift realities from falsehoods

Fill people with hate and fear and it’s only a short step to violence.

As I’ve pointed out before you are part of the problem, you are someone that wilfully stokes the violence then tries to blame others for it.

 

Abortion clinic bombers deserve life in prison
White nationalists and supremacists are hateful brain-dead scum
Harassing people because they are wearing hijabs or turbans is disgusting
Anyone who goes to a leftist rally to look for a fight, should be held accountable and shunned by the organization he/she is part of.

You satisfied now?

Well, if I was a democrat slave owner like you, I think it would benefit to look deeper into the reason the WalkAway movement began in the first place, and why your most loyal LGBT slaves are wondering off your plantation. What Straka has done, is he has put together a focus group that the DNC could utilize to do an analysis on why some of their once most loyal voters are turning their backs on them, and try to figure out what they could do to get them back. Instead, they hire some dipshit writers at Vox to decry them all as Russian bots. Ain't that a shame.

Western civilization has been the most welcoming to outside cultures worldwide. It's not perfect, but it's the best that human history has ever seen. There's still a lot we can learn from other non-western cultures, and incorporate some of their values into our culture. But sadly, it's the modern left who sees meddling and exploring other cultures as a social crime they call "cultural appropriation." Without cultural appropriation, we wouldn't have access to the best cuisines, medicine, entertainment, apparel, art, and more.

 

Much as you try, you can't convince most people that Straka is anything but a washed out loser opportunist seeking desperately to cash in on his turncoat status. As for the hyperbole about me being a democrat slave owner, that makes no sense at all. I think LGBTQs are free to vote as they please. I can see why most of them wouldn't want to vote Republican.

You'll get no argument from me on absurdity of resisting "cultural appropriation". There are no copyrights on cultural memes. I, for one, am grateful my ancestors decided to appropriate western culture and technology. However, I think cultural chauvinism is equally ridiculous. Islamophobes and "Great Replacement" believers will have a hard time convincing anyone that they are welcoming to outside cultures worldwide. Most Third World countries have had western culture foisted upon them by colonial masters. Western civilization has made outstanding contributions though--not only in science and technology, but in democratic political institutions and a tradition of individual rights and liberties.

 

Tiger

But can you or the other right wingers answer the question that was raised, I mean if this is a concern about the rise of political extremist violence why do so many right wingers seem to be so quiet about right wing violence but are making such a big deal about this particular incident?

I mean as pointed out the original poster and other right wingers seem to be bigging this incident up but have been very quiet of things that involved right wing violence.

 

What is unsaid so far is the rise of anti-semite violence. The Charlotteville right wing is anti semitic. and that horrific attack on the synagoge in Pittsburgh.

I do fear that there is a figurative, financial, milkshake with my name on it should Democrats resume control.

 

Antifa is hardly the Baader Meinhof gang. I would be more afraid of the organized violence of the police in your country followed by the power of the NRA in legislatures. If the principle people in ANTIFA represented a real threat to the powers that be they would have been like the black panthers before them simply eliminated. It would not surprise me if antifa was infiltrated from top to bottom by any number of both police agencies and the FBI which may explain some of the activity.

There is a good German movie on the above mentioned gang called Baader Meinhof Complex. The police riot scene in the first 20 minutes is worth a look.

 

Right wingers are anti-semitic and violent, therefore you should fearleft wing's Antifa's milkshakes? Doesn't seem to follow. Shouldn't you be posting this in the Paranoid forum?