Indias brutal men!

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  1. fitzgarabaldi

    fitzgarabaldi jolly swagman

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    when respect is not taught ; when respect is not valued then respect is not given
     
  2. morrow

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  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Respect is reserved for those with the money and the guns to enforce it.
     
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  4. fitzgarabaldi

    fitzgarabaldi jolly swagman

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    then this IS NOT true respect!
     
  5. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Morrow, it's not racist to point it out the way you do, but you do make it sound like all indian men are like that. So its not racist but it is stereotypical put.

    You crossed it off your list out of protest or out of fear/a safety measure?
    Yups. I'm afraid and quite certain rape and sexual assault would (still) be much more prevalent in our societies too. It's not like its gone here btw. But that society caters much more to the male/perpetrator. No rules and proper enforcement of them means they WILL be crossed.
     
  6. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    I know you probably came in here to say something deep yet very vague to appear a fountain of wisdom

    But it kind of sounds like victim blaming....its supposedly someone elses fault these animals commit these crimes

    One needs to be taught respect in order to know its wrong to rape a three year old, or rape and kill an 8 year old?
     
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  7. Meliai

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    Neither really, I'm just not particularly interested in visiting any country where women are treated and must behave as second class citizens

    Your question made me curious if India really is unsafe for female travelers so I looked it up, skimmed through a few articles..and the consensus seems to be the same - Yes you will be harrassed but there are measures one can take to remain safe
    Keep your head down
    Dress conservatively and cover your body
    If you are harrassed, yell and make noise

    Would it be safe to visit? Maybe, but i'm not interested in a culture where I would have to alter my behavior just to keep myself safe
     
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  8. Meliai

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    But how was the food?
     
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  9. mallyboppa

    mallyboppa Senior Member

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    I worked in India once ( Cochin Kerala ) It was nice and the people were very friendly I think sticking to the cities you would be ok to visit ! I didn't like the food although I like UK Indian food same when I was in China

    Sorry Babs don't mean to Trivialize your thread
     
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    Shanghaiist - How kidnappers abduct children in China < Google that and watch the video on facebook its pretty disturbing.
    much them kidnapped for sex or other work trade.
     
  11. Meliai

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    That's funny. Our tastebuds become accustomed to the westernized versions of ethnic food
     
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  12. guerillabedlam

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    This does seem endemic in that country and I was completely unaware of it prior to this thread, so I'm glad Morrow brought it to people's attention.

    There's the population size of India as well. Like we often have that running joke about "Florida Man" on here in the US, but it's a bit unsettling to think of that behavior being multiplied x4 or the perpetrators of mass shootings being multiplied.
     
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  13. Ajay0

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    The police to population ratio in India is 130, while the United Nations norm is 222.This may take its toll on effective and efficient policing.

    Yeah, the crimes against women, children are a major embarrassment. Hopefully the fast improving economy can raise policing levels to optimum.

    We do have positives like having a female president ( Pratibha Patil ) and a female prime minister ( Indira Gandhi).

    We also had a distinguished senior lady police officer named Kiran Bedi who had an outstanding service record and pioneered many innovations in crime control, drug rehabilitation, and humane prison reforms, which gained worldwide acclaim and won her the Ramon Magsaysay Award in 1994.

    She was instrumental in introducing the reform model of study and practice of meditation sessions in Indian prisons, which proved to be highly successful and is now being replicated all over the world.

    Doing Time, Doing Vipassana - Wikipedia

    https://prison.dhamma.org/prisonsworldwide.htm

    Britain's most dangerous prisoners to get meditation lessons

    How Meditation Reduced Violence in a Mexico Prison

    There have also been famous Indian female enlightened sages like Mata Amritanandamayi, Anandmurti Gurumaa, Anandamayi Ma, Mother Meera, Nirmala Devi, Karunamayi Ma who have millions of disciples in India and all over the world and who have a considerable body of good work to show in social work and regeneration.

    The Prajapita Brahmakumaris, a monotheistic religious sect based in India , is the only spiritual organisation in the world led, administered and taught by ladies and working for the empowerment of women in India and globally. It has teaching centers in all countries offering free 7 day courses of religious philosophy and meditation, and has won 7 UN awards for its efforts in promoting global harmony and peace. Feminine leadership of the Prajapita Brahmakumaris is of great relevance and significance in a male-dominated religious world of Popes and Ayathollahs.

    The Brahmakumaris has done pioneering work in solar energy and sustainable energy, including developing the world's largest solar cooker.

    Brahma Kumaris and green energy
     
  14. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    It's great you came into this topic, I respect you for that... but you avoid some things, if I can just pick up on one.. you will get more police! The police are one of the problem, they turn their heads when it comes to rape of women and children, in some cases, they are the rapists, did you not hear about the rape and murder of the 8 year old.. it was police! Did you hear about the police that condemned the young married women to be stoned to death, she was buried to her waist, her crime.. she was raped, her husband when contacted the police was convinced by them, she had committed adultry.. wtf!
    That's the Indian police force for gou, so no.. there needs to be a complete overhaul of the Indian system in regard to crime and punishment, and those that conduct it.
    What of the child that had half her face blown away, she campaigns for education for girls... she lives in secret...
    Who gives a shit about solar energy... start with your people..
     
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  15. Ajay0

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    I did not know that you were anticipating me.

    I did enjoy this thread of yours, btw. :blush:

    India is a land of 1.3 billion, which is three times that of the European Union. There will be instances of corrupt and incompetent cops and officials here and there. There are numerous lawyers and NGO's as well who are working for betterment of the system.

    Generalizing Indian police is also incorrect. In states like Bihar or Uttar Pradesh the policing system is very poor and substandard, prone to corruption and mismanagement, while in south india and western India it is of a much higher quality. Bihar was under President's rule for a number of years.


    I only illustrated the achievements of the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, the world's only spiritual organisation led by ladies in a heavily male-dominated world, with branches in all countries including the UK. The UK cannot boast of such an organisation, does it ! :grinning:

    Let's not forget how the British foreign office minister Mark Field chucked out a lady volunteer of Greenpeace movement grabbing her neck and arm disgracefully.

    Something of this sort has never happened in India by official leaders.

    Greenpeace activist: 'Mark Field needs anger management'
     
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  16. morrow

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    I agree, no matter what that lady did, he should not have reacted that way..
    The spiritual organisation you speak of, yes they are doing great things.. but it's a side line to the real problem with India and their treatment of women... men need to respect their women, who without, would not have life!
    Across the world, things need to change..more women need to stand against their perpetrators, but without help, this will not happen, in these places, and in relationships across the world, men are still treating their women disgraceful.. and it needs to stop.
     
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  17. Ajay0

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    Yeah, they are doing great things and bringing up a gradual change in perception of chauvinistic men towards women, not only in India but throughout the world, by placing women in leadership positions.

    Again, you are generalising on some instances in a huge population of 1.3 billion that is nearly three times the size of the European Union.
    We have never had the kind of issues in Bosnia and Serbia which took place in the midst of europe.

    What the British foreign office minister did to the female greenpeace volunteer was highly disgraceful and there was never a similar precedent in India. I also don't think Diana's and Dodi Fayed's deaths were an accident, and feel that it is part of a wider conspiracy in which the british government is clandestinely involved.

    In the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that took place in 1919 in India, British military officer Reginald Dyer at the head of British troops, machine gunned down nearly a thousand unarmed civilians listening to a speech at a nonviolent gathering, and which included many women and children. He was later praised and lauded as a hero in Britain, and Britain has not apologised for the incident till date. I would consider this as brutal.

    India has its challenges due to feudal casteism and outdated, obsolete traditions, but we never had issues like that of serial killers Jack the Ripper in Britain or the Zodiac killer in the U.S., both of whom have never been identified or caught. I have read of many such instances of victims of serial killers in the west, whose identities were never discovered by the police and relegated to cold files. It is tragic but shows the limitations of even the policing system.

    Could you outline some rational measures in which such help, as you put it, could be provided to women all over the world, no matter who or where they are !
     
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  18. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    tons & tons of Desi in the USA, all legal, wonderful people
     
  19. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    They are some pretty lame examples compared to all the dowry deaths, honour killings, murders, "suicides" that are actually murders, acid attacks, women set on fire, forced abortions, female infanticide that has been going on in India for thousands of years
     
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  20. Ajay0

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    And I suppose what happened to the indigenous population in Australia since it became a prison colony for the brits in the last century is also a pretty lame example as well in comparison !

    Indigenous Australians - Wikipedia

    List of massacres of Indigenous Australians - Wikipedia
     

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