2020 Election

You're right, the glory of our forefathers is a reflection of us no matter how low we sink. Thanks.

 

The republican establishment hated Trump, but they didn't cheat the primaries like the Democrats do. They did it to Bernie Sanders, and they'll do it again to Tulsi by smearing her as a Russian plant.

I'm just surprised that they haven't come up with a more creative and original smear campaign. Russians? Seriously?
If it didn't work to bring Trump down, why the hell will it bring down Gabbard?

 

Except that it's still a dangerous occupation. The military doesn't need a war to have casualties. Too many service people are maimed and killed by accidents, equipment failures and "unofficial" actions by foreign agents. It's not a regular job at all.

 

Russia was never completely about Trump. It's about casting a blight on this entire election, and manipulating the outcome. Which is an exercise in futility, but that's the agenda as I believe it to be.

 

Her support of Assad, praise of Russian bombings there, one-sided criticism of U.S. military actions in Syria without similar criticism of Russia's. and unfavorable comparison of Obama to Putin puts her in a position similar to Jill Stein in 2016 after her infamous photo op at the table with Putin and Mike Flynn. (Stein was in Moscow to criticize the U.S. human rights record).

I doubt that Gabbard is going anywhere, with or without Russian help. I also doubt that "they" who "did it to Bernie Sanders" are behind a smear campaign against her--although Kamala Harris' supporters might enjoy such an enterprise after Tulsi's vicious attack on Harris at the last debate. If you give it a moment's thought, it should be evident that the Democrat establishment, if it has skin in the game at all and acts as a monolith, would probably favor the frontrunner, Joe Biden. Since Harris did a number on Biden during last month's debate, it would seem likely that they'd be out to get her (or Sanders again or Warren, not Gabbard, who did Biden's job for him against Harris. We'll see, as the bot and troll campaign progresses, whether or not Gabbard is this election's Vladivostock candidate.( I suspect it's still Trump). Your claim that "they" (the Democrats) are out to get Gabbard is just another typical propaganda ploy.

 

Maybe you could give some hints. Does it involve Liberia or the french revolution for example?
It seems America was worthy of the title once because it was a relative new country with a for the time very progressive beginning while most other western countries at the time were stuck in their old ways. But many things have changed since then.

 

I saw that she got the 2nd least speaking time at the first debate. Andrew Yang's mic was muted too as well.

Tulsi Gabbard was the candidate with the most google searches after the first debate
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is again the most-searched candidate on Google during Democratic debate

Google was caught censoring her campaign ads. Now she's suing them
https://www.ccn.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-google-censorship-lawsuit/2019/07/25/

People like her because she has a message that people like and agree with. She does not represent politics-as-usual.

If she doesn't go anywhere, like you say, then it's because it's a rigged and biased system.

 

There never was any Russia.. IT was Google, Twitter, Facebook the entire time..


And they are still doing it.

 

Russian troll factories are a fact. People in there get paid to spread fake news and influence voters in several western countries. If one can't stabilize their own society it is worthwile to try to destabilize others in order to deflect attention and make your own look less bad. That there was a plan between Putin and Trump to influence the american public seems less certain.

 

It was about the title 'the land of the free'. Going by your list its more like 'a land of the free' (as plenty of other countries have similar accomplishments), or that you gave hints for something different?

 

Panic

Well it comes down to the social contract and what you expect from it. Do you want peace do you want war do you want freedom from exploitation?

In societies with a democracy element people vote for those things when people in certain political groups, so it is important to vote wisely – the problem is that many people can’t be bothered to become informed and so vote unwisely based often on prejudice rather than knowledge.

You then get rampant mismanagement when someone like Bush jr or Trump get voted into power.

It depends on what is seen as a profit governments can give many benefits ‘gains’ that can be seen as ‘profits’, improvements to the majority’s quality of life through laws against pollution, healthcare programmes, public services and infrastructure for example, but again people need to vote wisely to insure the gain the profit – and again the problem is that many people can’t be bothered to become informed and so vote unwisely based often on prejudice rather than knowledge. So they end up with government that give the gain to a few rather an the many such as tax cuts that favour the already wealthy and end up starving those areas of government that are of benefit to the majority.

That’s why if people want good government they need to be well informed.

The problem I’ve discover from these forums is that many especially on the right don’t want to be informed, and prefer to run away or ignore criticisms of their ideas that they find difficult or impossible to address.

 

much like the anon troll factory here.

 

I do like Tulsi, but her past track record in relation to LGBTQ rights is concerning. She claims serving in Iraq with queer soldiers changed her outlook, and while I do believe that, it does make it hard to embrace her fully.

But she's got integrity and her take down of Harris was a thing of beauty.

 

MeAgain

Oh I’d have to agree and disagree

The thing to remember is that the US is not ‘exceptional’ and like any country it has in many degrees done good and bad and done good things for bad reasons and bad ones for good.

The Berlin Airlift, The Marshall Plan, The Peace Corp and the Moon Landings were all part of anti-communist policies that also for example brought about the overthrow of democrat governments the support for bloody handed dictators and the Vietnam War.

While there was the melting pot there was also segregation, which also meant segregated public education (that in many places carries on today, through design or advantage).

You get the moving assembly line but also exploitation and violent strike breaking

I could go on, the thing is that in history you need to see the hues of good and the shades of bad

 

She has a message some people agree with, although it's hard to tell just what that is. You seem to be a fan, but that hardly means most people like her. If they did, she'd have higher poll numbers. In the two polls since the debate (Politico, Harvard), she got 1% and 0% support, compared with Biden (32%,32%), Sanders (18%,!7%), Warren (15%,8%), and Harris (10%,9%). If she doesn't do much better fast, she'll be off the stage in September. You seem to be saying that if someone you like isn't going anywhere, the system must be rigged. Sounds like Trump.

 

Sanders stands out as the man of ideas.

Biden will first have to get behind himself and think before he speaks. " If you like your doctor you can keep him " was klutzy, reminding voters who lost their doctors and in some cases their local hospitals all due the impact of "O care ". It's doubtful he could win in a one on one race with Trump with both feet in his mouth.

Warren makes lots of sense when it comes to taking down the banksters, the rest are jokes not ready for prime time.

 

Different but definitely rivaled where it comes to that title yes.