Trump is not racist: Change my mind

Goes for all politicians, why do we seem to prefer candidates that are 70 and half senile vs 35 and upwardly mobile. Well except for Canada and New Zealand, if Trudeau wasnt a frenchie, id love him, and how awesome is Ardern?

 

Like I said, I don't know if he himself is personally racist, but his vitriol certainly inspires xenophobes and racists.

People call him honest, for some reason, but being honest is a lot more than saying out loud whatever crosses your mind. His speech is dangerous for everyone.

 

I don't think people get upset over others not liking him, that's just part of the territory, you could be the most likable person in the world, like the Queen, still folks gonna hate on ya lol.

I read and hear people be completely honest about themselves and then I read and see others completely belittle them, mostly over racial remarks, and for what? Like it's already been determined, there were a lot of factors, like every election, as to why people vote for who they vote for. Trump being elected wasn't about racism for a lot because every color of people actually did vote for the guy, so that's gotta tell you something. So if people are going to sit there and cast out your racist your racist your racist, of course people are gonna get the shits with that because it's simply not true in most cases.

Not every Trump supporter is a racist or has an agenda built around racism and that's something people need to realise before casting out such bullshit remarks.

Furthermore, nobody here is actually Donald Trump and nobody here knows him. It's your personal interpretations and perceptions, how you take in what he says that makes your determination. It doesn't mean you are right, it doesn't mean you are wrong but it's still an interpretation, so to sit there and ardently argue to us what he actually means is pure garbage too, literally, talking more garbage than Oscar the grouch.

Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and stop forcing your personal agendas down everyone's throats. It's actually pretty simple.

 

yep.

 

very.
why can't we all have leaders like that.

 

I'm shallow so I am partial to young and good looking politicians
And Trudeau and Ardern are coherent which is how high (or low) I've now set the mark for a decent leader

It is kind of weird society favors leaders with early signs of dementia, I do not disagree

 

This is partisanship on full display unfortunately . Hyper-partisanship is ugly, divisive and very destructive preventing conciliation on a host of important issues.

 

Pretty much 75% of the members here just share their bitch festival over Trump. Very small echo chamber ..

Think about our folks that share their adventures, trails, tribulations, life with us..

There once was a time we cared more about when the next DMB concert was, than Trumps amazing tweeter machine..

Sadly the paradigm shift creates almost more animosity between folks..

 

I don't think or really care if he himself is racist. It's about how he does his job as an president for all americans, which is appalling.
He caters to racists in a serious harmful way which is bad enough.

 

Some folks will never be convinced of anything that challenges pet positions,because they're close-minded--either because they refuse to (vincible ignorance) or because they're unable to because of mental incapacity and/or brainwashing (invincible ignorance). So I think it would be impossible to prove you wrong to your own satisfaction. But just in case there are still some open-minded, reasonable people around: Trump launched his political career with the untenable "birther" attack on Obama's citizenship and launched his presidential campaign with the attack on Hispanic immigrants as "rapists" and other forms of lowlifes. Here are some other examples:
Trump’s Xenophobic Vision of America Is Inciting Racist Violence
Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist | HuffPost
Is Donald Trump Racist? Here's what the record shows
Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List, Updated
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019
An Oral History of Trump’s Bigotry
You want evidence Trump is racist. Here's your evidence. - Politics Message Board - GameFAQs
Trump tweets racist attacks at progressive congresswomen - CNNPolitics
“Trump the Accomplice”: El Paso Residents Blame the President for a Hate-Fuelled Mass Shooting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...nts-trump-is-uniquely-unwilling-curtail-them/
Of course, much depends on our understanding of what a racist is:.
"racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races." Definition of racism | Dictionary.com
By that definition it could be argued that Trump isn't a racist because: 1. He doesn't actuallly believe the stuff he says but just cynically uses it to political or business advantage (which, in my opinion, would make him worse than a racist--a sociopath.)
2. His most virulent attacks have been voiced against Muslims and Hispanics, neither of which is technically a race. But we must emphasize "technically". Bigotry is unacceptable no matter what form it takes. In Trump's case, it takes the form of demagoguery by stoking the fires of white nationalism and "Great Replacement " anxieties for electoral advantage.

 

I agree. These are the people who fuck up stuff like societies, but also religions, and frankly the world.

 

None of us know whether he is racist or not. I lean towards the idea that he is not personally racist, but doesn’t do much to stop racist behavior, either. I think that he is so unaffected by racism that he just doesn’t care.

 

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Yeah his moral compass is so fucked up I’m surprised he can find his way back to the white house

 

What about by other definitions? Lol. Can't just pick a definition that suits you and start preaching it like gospel. We need all the other definitions in here. to make a determination.

And honestly, saying a country is a shit hole isn't racist, your just saying the country is a shit hole. I mean you think people are shit, right? Well that has to be declared as racist to whatever race they are then. That's how stupid it sounds when someone says a country is a shit hole. It's just a derogatory word, no different to you calling someone stupid or an idiot, it's a word, a non racist word, a word that has zero bearing on culture or race or anything in between.

And accusations don't mean much either, they're just accusations. Everybody makes accusations. You start pulling out court results and prison sentences you might have something if you're able to but over those accusations all you're offering is a clear $200,000 fine to shut someone up. which you're probably going to pay guilty or not guilty when you're in the eyes of public scrutiny.

 

Racism is a generalized term (for all things pertaining to race). Ethnic discrimination is the racism that is the heart of the matter here.

Calling someone racist in order to dismiss their point or discredit a person is useless, but its also something that these days is often abused by people who act racist themselves or who defend a person that's being racist (practices ethnic discrimination): so ideally the use of the word racist is always nuanced/explained or replaced with a more clear wording. In most instances the issue is ethnic discrimination.

 

Not my intent.

She tries to put on a very hard front but she has commented before that she feels attacked and upset. This is a normal human emotion. It has made me see her as more of a person. She has also discussed mental health issues if I remember correctly.

I certainly object to her racist views which are "not racist". But I am not calling her stupid. I am relating my experiences with her to another person I knew who acted and spoke as she did. This person would go from being very sad and hapless to very angry when challenged.

I guess I hurt some feelings and I really did not meant that.

I am hardly left wing too. It's sad that your perspective on Americans would label me that. I don't feel either party fits my views. Left=Democrat.

I am not that. You and here are very full of a viscous attitude too. A need to put others down and play the team sport of politics.

I'm not a Trump fan and and for that you have made several mean comments to me and implied I am not thinking clearly as well. I guess it goes both ways.

I will always stand up for what I know is right. I do not like racism or the very concept that Trump is not a racist. It's so clear to people with eyes and ears he is. He is not American and I will not lay down and accept this on the premise that if I don't I am in intolerant one.

Men did not die from Hitler's bullets so Hitler could come to America. To be an American is to have a limit and protect what our country is. The meanest people will say you need to be tolerant of their shit until they have the power then you don't get the same thing.

I think the issue with you and Irm is you have a strong opinion and perspective of what "left" wing people are. Kind of like how I might assume all NRA members are evil mass shooters. It's what the media sees. I guess what you see is the overly snowflake types and you see me as that too. I think this prevents some logical truths from getting though to you since it is I who says them.

You don't really tolerate my views do you? You find them wrong and unacceptable.

 

Uhm, yes he is. There are all kinds of Americans and he is a very typical example of a certain kind. I would describe that kind as the opportunistic loudmouth business man.

Many Americans and other people think differently about Americans and that limit assertion
Btw: lots of conservatives want to protect what their country is as well. I guess what your country exactly is and what should be protected differs on who you ask.

I think this one is spot on. The crux seems to me we (as fellow citizens dealing with such people. Not just americans as im not. But this transcends the US of course) as tolerant people need to tolerate intolerant mindsets and ideas, but not active discrimination. People are entitled to their intolerant convictions, but are not entitled to infringe harmfully on other peoples rights. We can not eradicate intolerant ideas, theories and mindsets anyway, and imo neither should we want to. But we do want everybody to live as free as possible and have the same rights (which includes the right to have, to you and me perhaps, ludicrous convictions). It is an ongoing effort for a society.