The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Flagme15

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    He claims to be a farmer, from the San Joaquin Valley. Problem is that Nunez's family up, and moved the farm to Iowa.

    Report: Devin Nunes’ Family Farm Was Secretly Moved to Iowa From California
     
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  2. egger

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    Trump blurs lines between personal lawyer, attorney general
    By MICHAEL BALSAMO
    September 28, 2019

    Trump blurs lines between personal lawyer, attorney general

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    "WASHINGTON (AP) — As Washington plunges into impeachment, Attorney General William Barr finds himself engulfed in the political firestorm, facing questions about his role in President Donald Trump’s outreach to Ukraine and the administration’s attempts to keep a whistleblower complaint from Congress.

    Trump repeatedly told Ukraine’s president in a telephone call that Barr and Trump personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani could help investigate Trump’s Democratic rival Joe Biden, according to a rough transcript of that summertime conversation. Justice Department officials insist Barr was unaware of Trump’s comments at the time of the July 25 call.

    When Barr did learn of that call a few weeks later, he was “surprised and angry” to discover he had been lumped in with Giuliani, a person familiar with Barr’s thinking told The Associated Press. This person was not authorized to speak about the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Giuliani, a former New York City mayor, often appears in rambling television interviews as a vocal defender of the president. Giuliani represents Trump’s personal interests and holds no position in the U.S. government, raising questions about why he would be conducting outreach to Ukrainian officials.

    Barr is the nation’s top law enforcement officer and leads a Cabinet department that traditionally has a modicum of independence from the White House.

    Yet to Trump, there often appears to be little difference between the two lawyers."
     
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  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    You can't have rule of law, when the wealthy buy the law, and Donald Duck will never set foot in a jail cell, nor will Giuliani.
     
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  4. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Lolz, How is "Democrat Savages" racist?

    Like how they leave out the word democrat when reporting it.

    Pathetic and desperate
     
  5. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    There was some fuck face (Graham) calling the House a "zoo" several times.
     
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  6. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Not wanting it isnt the same as making a mess of it and starting it
     
  7. Vanilla Gorilla

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    So how is that racist?

    There are elephants at the zoo, by same logic you could say that guy was calling everyone in the House fat
     
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  8. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't know if it was, but by the second time he said it, I had considered that women of color are front and center in House of Representatives.
     
  9. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Did you really just use the word coolies?

    ....but Trump is the racist?

    As for the end of Protectionism, something that maybe deserves its own thread, as I only hear it from babyboomers. Ones like Reagan and Thatcher. They were just responding to current conditions at the time. No government ever has the money to prop up every industry. Crazy to think otherwise.

    But as I said, try talk to anyone under 50 about that viewpoint, and they will look at you funny. Because on one hand they have never known a world where they couldnt just walk into walmart and buy 100 christmas lights for $10 on the other hand they are not old enough to remember a time where if you ordered a car part it would take 3 months and cost you a weeks wages
     
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  10. Vanilla Gorilla

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    On the Ukraine thing; can any of you actually identify easily, and I mean in just a few short sentences, not the usual indirect circular garbage....concisely identify what you think Trump did that was actually illegal, or Hotwater used the word Treason

    What do you all think was actually illegal

    And not including what information did or did not end up in which system, as Trump would not have done that himself
     
  11. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think that he tried to get dirt on Biden, and that violated a law that says you can't involve a foreign entity in your election prep.
     
  12. egger

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    The only metric that Trump has had an approval rating higher than 50% in polls is the economy.

    All of the behaviors of him that you listed have kept him below 50% in categories related to his negative behavior. Trump should be working on improving his behavior related to those metrics where he falters.

    Instead, he invoked an impeachment inquiry by what appears to be the use of backdoor channels to essentially coerce Ukraine by witholding U.S. government money for the sake of trying to revive a debunked conspiracy claim about Biden that he thinks will be a key to his re-election..

    He also digs his trench deeper for all of his repulsive behavior that causes him to be below 50% in the polls.in all categories except the economy, thinking that this will maintain just enough of his hardcore base to eak out a 2020 win.
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    As if it would mean anything to you.
    But listen up.
    First, he doesn't have to do anything illegal. All he has to do is demonstrate that he's unfit for office as determined by the House and then the Senate. There is no legal bar for impeachment or removal from office. And anyway some think the president is above the law and can't be indicted while in office. He could literally kill someone in the Oval Office on live TV and couldn't be brought to justice....while in office. Go figure.

    Second, he probably violated campaign finance laws. Remember he admitted it!
    Third, he withheld military aid. That may be extortion if applied to the Ukrainian president.

    Fourth,
    the White House has attempted to cover all this up, presumably at his direction or possibly becasue those around him realize how serious this is. Either way..it's bad for Trump.

    Fifth,
    this isn't the first time he's asked for interference in a presidential election. In the past he said he "was joking"...fool me once....
     
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  14. Okiefreak

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    No, I think it's about Trump. I'm generally more favorable to Democrats than Republicans, but there are a number of Republicans I could live with. I wrote eulogies for Bush '41 and McCain, both flawed but principled men. So was Gerald Ford. I thought Bush '43. was godawful--two wars, torture and a recession--but seeing Trump in action, I feel a certain nostalgia for G.W. And Romney is a stuffed shirt, but has some decency. Trump, however, is an unprincipled despot, and his defenders seem to be--primitive.
     
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  15. onceburned

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    did nothing wrong
     
  16. Okiefreak

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    Extortion, campaign finance violation, violating his duty to see that the laws of Congress are faithfully exercised. The constitutional grounds are "treason, bribery, and other high crimes or misdemeanors." Nixon took the position that "misdemeanors" meant an indictable offense, but his V.P., Gerald Ford said it was anything you could get a majority of Congress to support. You seem to be one of those folks he says would support him if he shot somebody on 5th Avenue in broad daylight.
     
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  17. Meliai

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    Really?
    So if Obama did this, you would be fine with it?
    If Obama used taxpayer funded aid as leverage to solicit dirt on a political rival during the election, and then hid the conversations about it on a private server intended only for information classified for national security purposes, it wouldnt be a big deal to you at all?

    Be honest
     
  18. onceburned

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    ok, Obama did plenty wrong. and all his "kids" did too. as long as they didn't burn the Whitehouse down he just turned his head and looked the other way
    trump asked a foreign prez to look at biden. and guess what, there is lots to look at
     
  19. Okiefreak

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    Yes, I used the word "coolies". I'm not into political correctness. If I used the term to refer to all Asians, or to persons of Chinese decent, it would be racist. When used to describe low paid Chinese labor in China, it seems to fit--and it's not their fault they're low paid. As I've explained before, I'm not sure Trump is a racist, but he exploits racial divisions for political purposes, which I think is worse. Also, you seem to be stuck in your own diversionary loop. Who is it you're arguing with about protectionism? Trump and Bernie are protectionists, and I think they're wrong. The TPP would have been a good thing.
     
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    biden was never gonna make to the finish line anyway
     
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