Ever deeper into the mire !!! - I think the odds on impeachment are shortening by the hour !!! https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/09/...rump-s-calls-with-foreign-leaders-often-conc/
Bullshit, you could have easily used another phrase other than "those coolies" You just blurted it out, which gives me an insight in to how you are your friends talk over a few beers at the pub
As I said I don't think you quite understand what's going on. Let me repeat...there is no legal requirement for impeachment. A president doesn't have to do anything illegal to get impeached. Let me know what you don't understand about that statement. Next, you don't have to directly do something to be held accountable for what others do. Charles Manson didn't murder anyone and he never ordered any murders, but he was convicted of the first degree murder of seven people. The impeachment process has never removed a president from office, however nineteen people have been impeached by the House, eight were convicted. One judge was impeached for drunkenness and resigned from office, certainly not illegal. Impeachment must proceed in certain instances, in my opinion, regardless of the outcome in the Senate. In this instance with Donald Trump it is very clear that he is being protected and enabled by the Republicans. It is very clear he has given the House multiple reasons to a the very least investigate whether there are grounds for impeachment, which is the stage we are at right now. I repeat, grounds for an investigation. If you wish I'll list them out for you, but I'm sure you're aware of them and a strong case can be made that he's unfit for office.. Just the part, "violation of the 'public trust'", is enough if you consider we, or the world for that matter, can't trust anything he says. Now we all know that barring some "grand awakening" by the Republicans, that is the Republicans put the country before their own reelection, a successful impeachment by the House will not result in a conviction in the Senate. A two thirds majority is required and the Republicans hold fifty three seats, Democrats forty five, and Independents two. Sixty six votes would need to be secured for removal from office. Assuming all the Democrats and both Independents vote for removal, nineteen Republicans would still be needed. At this point there aren't nineteen Republicans who will stand up to Trump no matter what he did or does. So why impeach? If the House fails to impeach they have sent the message to Trump that he can literally do what he wants and there will be no check at all on him by Congress. He becomes a defacto separate arm of the government. But the Democrats can at least say, we stood up for what we believe to be the rule of law, even if it hurts us at the ballot box. They have claimed the moral high ground, even if the public has no morals at all. They have done what the Constitution required them to do, investigate and recommend a trial by the Senate. Conversely, if he is impeached, but not removed from office, he may be emboldened as he got away with whatever the charge was, BUT anything he does in the future that is deemed improper or perhaps illegal falls at the feet of the Republicans. The Republicans will have accepted full responsibility for Trump and any and all of his actions while president. Do I have to list all the controversial things he has done? My example of Trump killing someone in the Oval office is an extreme example, but valid. The Department of Justice has proclaimed, If you agree with this, then my example stands. Trump would have to be impeached for murder, he could not be indicted for murder.
Lindsay Graham said it best actually, in 1999 "You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.” Of course, much like our friends here who would be bothered if Obama did this but not Trump, Lindsay Graham is a hypocrite and only believes this when a Democrat is in office. But the point still stands.
If Trump held a gun to the head of a foreign leader and demanded dirt on a political opponent, his enthusiasts in Congress and the public would say that it was nothing because he used a fake gun.
There will never be a trial. There will be an indictment (impeachment). No trial, because the jury (Senate) is rigged (i.e., stacked with Republicans)
Libertarians have made it impossible for Donald Duck to even join the Mickey Mouse Club, and if they do not impeach him, they might as well demand a civil war. Some 80% of the public is so divided on the issue they can't keep antacids on the shelves. He either vanishes or there is nothing to prevent both sides from simply declaring war on their own government. You cannot take away our votes, shred the constitution, and expect us to put up with Donald Duck destroying the economy yet again! The minute he is gone, confidence will be restored, but not a second sooner. It is all too clear he no longer has a mandate from the majority.
Again, you are not making sense and have your "facts" wrong, because they aren't factual. The FACTUAL DATA is clear: America got involved in Viet Nam after the French got their lunch handed back to them during the Dien Bien Phu assault by the local folks.
He can be indicted in federal criminal court after January 24th of 2021 when we have a new Democrat in the White House. I say we prosecute the top thirty Trump Organized Crime operatives.
Just the little info Trump released to congress shows he tryed use his position to go get dirt..He should resign!! I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR Nixon
If they don't draw at least the most basic lines in the sand, its an invitation to complete disaster.
Would you believe they just went and recounted all of Hillary's email again and are questioning career State Department employees … again! But they (Republicans) don't want us to look at the Mueller Grand Jury documents, don't want us looking at Mueller's unredacted report, and don't want us to look at the secret bank documents, and will not let us see all them tax evasion records, and oh yes … there is also David Pecker and his secret vault which is full of Trumpty Dumpty goodies.
Oh, I understand perfectly. You can keep repeating that argument until you are blue in the face. You are never going to see a President removed from office unless he/she commits a serious crime. As much as you want it to be true. No matter how many times you want to pretend otherwise you are never going to get a President removed from office for "violating public trust" There is no such thing as an "official" impeachment inquiry, no matter how many times the Dems say it. Impeachment process doesnt start until the house votes Just as likely, More likely that an attempt to start impeachment this time will ruin the Democrats chances in the election and send a message to Trump he can do what he wants as they will be far more hesitant to try impeach a second time
That's how the civil war began, after half a century of the south making totally unreasonable demands, they finally decided the north would never stop them. Libertarians are convinced Donald Duck is doing the right thing, because nobody has ever beaten the shit out of the assholes. They either give us back our votes, or the shit will hit the fan.
Never is along time. This will play out in the public arena, that's what's important. It's a not referendum on Trump, it's a referendum on the American people. What kind of country do they want? Are we a moral nation or not? We shall see.
Fuck morality, you can't make our votes meaningless and shred the constitution and pretend anything you do is moral. Either congress manages to at least draw a few lines in the sand for them to continue with their corrupt business, or another civil war is certain. Rich people love to fund wars. I'd love to see congress blow up or killed by anthrax or something. Smaller government and lower taxes. Maybe Putin has a few suggestions.
I'd be more surprised if Category 2 Stormy Daniels was the only Porn star/ Stripper/Hooker a guy worth $4 billion had shagged