Brexit anybody?

An example of what the EU really is:

The leader who sees gay rights as a threat to Poland


"LGBT+ rights have become the single biggest cultural issue in Poland's election campaign ahead of Sunday's vote. In the eyes of Jaroslaw Kaczynski's national-conservative party and the Catholic Church, those rights are a threat to traditional Polish families and values.

Mr Kaczynski likes to identify threats to Polish society - during the election campaign four years ago, he said Middle Eastern migrants might bring "parasites and protozoa" to Poland.

This time around, according to Mr Kaczynski, the threat comes from LGBT+ people and from Europe, where families can have "two mummies or two daddies", he said."

 

The myth that all the people that voted for Brexit voted for the same thing is one that some leavers are still pushing.

It also has to be remembered that it was very close the difference between leave and remain was 3.8 percent or 1.3 million in favour of Leave.

The problem with the first referendum - as has been explained many times in this thread - is that people had many differing views on what voting to the leave the EU actually meant (and for many it was a protest vote that had nothing to do with Europe)

IT WAS A SPLIT VOTE.

Many on the leave side didn’t know what kind of leave they were voting for

While ALL those that voted to remain knew they were voting to remain.

The other thing is that in the referendum even the leaver leadership ruled out a No Deal Brexit, they said time and again that would be bad and would never happen, it was always that they could get a ‘better deal’. The whole idea of a No Deal was called ‘project fear’ by the leaver leadership, no deal was something to be feared – in other words - to not be voted for.

Only later when the true complexities and pitfalls of a Brexit became clear and with it the realisation that any deal would be worse than the one we already had that the simplistic No Deal idea took root amongst those that wanted a simplistic answer, which they could shout but never defend.

And in conversations with people, what I’ve read and listened to since then and looking at what members of Parliament have indicated many of the people that might vote for a Theresa May deal and the majority that would for a single market and customs union deal would not vote for a No Deal (seeing it as dangerous)

 

But that is what the leavers did – we voted to join in 1975 and since then there have been those people that wanted to keep on having a referendums until they got a vote to leave.

Here is Farage saying that if Remain won by a close vote it would still be unfinished business in other words the leavers would carry on trying for another vote. “"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way”

 

Mal

But you didn’t ‘change your mind’ you were lying

On the day of the vote you said

“I have Voted Out My Wife Has Voted The same Everyone I know Except one Has Said They Voted out, My Daughter asked at the polling station and they said The turn out was huge !!
I honestly Believe its A North South thing With London Wanting To remain and the rest of the Country Want out”
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On that same day you posted a link to

Two days after the vote you posted

Then again saying you voted out

Actually since you came to my attention I can’t think of one pro-remain comment you have made.

You even explained why you are anti-EU because of things that happened back in 2007 at your work.

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So let’s see –

· You don’t seem to have ever posted a remain post

· You have posted a shit load of anti-EU posts

· You have told us your anti-EU views are based on things that happen some 8 years before the referendum

• And you actually say you voted out several times

BUT you claim you voted remain I definitely call bullshit on that – the question is why would you want to lie and how do you think lying helps your case?

 

Angela Merkel, in a phone call to Johnson early this morning, has trashed Johnson's suggested ideas to get round the Northern Ireland back-stop.



https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/...ts-merkel-has-rejected-johnson-s-brexit-offe/

 

No problems with the Irish border. Just continue the way we are doing now. When we are out of the EU what can they do to us. This is just a lot of bullshit.

 

That one appears to be a rumour started by one of Boris's advisors, which the media did seem to fall for

 

The voice of ignorance !!! - have you ever seen the border between Eire and Northern Ireland ??? - just try saying what you have just said to hard-line protestant or a member of Sinn Fein !!!

 

The cost of Brexit !!!

HuffPost is now part of Verizon Media

 

I made a mistake it can happen to anyone I walked out of the booth knowing that ! (If I lied then its one each for you and I so we are even ) I will put it right if there is another vote but I not obsessive about it like you are ! We should leave

 

And fair play to you with your comments there Mall.
Particularly those in bold.

I agree entirely.

 

Mal said

You lied and are still lying - to recap

You don’t seem to have ever posted a remain post

You have posted a shit load of anti-EU posts

You have told us your anti-EU views are based on things that happen some 8 years before the referendum


And you actually say you voted OUT several times

Here is another example from November 2018 you saying very clearly

Yes that was truth what isn’t true is you claiming you voted remain.

There is plenty of evidence of your deceit – where is your evidence that I have lied?

 

Why would someone claim to have voted for something then changed their mind later

Well the conversion argument can be a powerful one (think of Saul on the road to Damascus) where someone says something along the lines of – ‘I was once like you but then I saw the light’ – the implication been that if you only realised your mistake you would also convert.

The problem here is that the person claiming to have converted is lying it’s the sinner that claims to have ‘seen the light’ but who privately carries on sinning.

 

As i said before I really dont give a fuck what you think or read into it ! I tried to explain why I kept quiet about what i voted if you are not happy about it add it to your list of obsession's

 

Ha ha "sinner" what a fucking joke ! Nobody cares what I think and do anyway ,why should they !

 

Mal

Maybe being a liar is not important to you which gives even more insight into your character – the reason you gave for supposedly not saying you voted remain is that you felt ashamed

But to repeat

You don’t seem to have ever posted a remain post

You have posted a shit load of anti-EU posts

You have told us your anti-EU views are based on things that happen some 8 years before the referendum

And you actually say you voted out several times

You seem to say your wife and daughter both voted out and you posted on the day of the referendum a link to - Brexit: the 7 most important arguments for Britain to leave the EU

I mean you have only ever posted leaver posts so can you tell us the reasons you supposedly voted remain?

 

No ! go and obsess about something fucking else i

 

Mal

Thanks i thought that would be your answer...or rather not answer LOL

 

As I’ve said before looking across the Brexit threads on the forum you can get a feel for the characters of the supporters on each side of the argument and I’m sorry to say that is a sad indictment of those on the leavers side who often come across as Il-informed, hate filled, mean of spirit and petty who are happy to say barefaced lies while often seemingly contemptuous of democratic procedures and institutions.

I ask if you are a decent person and a leaver don’t you look around you and wonder what crowd you have fallen into and why?

I mean if you are on the side of an argument that is attractive to these kind of people as well as racists and neo-Nazis types wouldn’t you be asking yourself if you were on the right side of that argument?

 

I understand there is no border between North and Southern Ireland. After Brexit on the 31st I am suggesting that should continue.
So can you please explain why it should upset anybody. Please.