Brexit anybody?

Then continue as you are - ignorant !!!

 

Oi Vey

 

I pointed out that that was the EU’s preferred solution to the Northern Ireland border and keep the Good Friday agreement viable.

The difficulty for unionists (in the Conservative (and Unionists) Party and in Northern Ireland) is that this basically stops the NI been part of the United Kingdom. It would be a big boost to those that want to end the partition. That is why the DUP were so against it.

But whatever the big thing is that leavers still seem unable to actually say in any rational and reasonable way why any Brexit with deal or not will be good for the UK’s economy.

 

Good, you agree with the new deal then

 

Oh the ignoramus is at it again !!! - go climb a eucalyptus tree !!!

 

More evidence that Brexit is not nor will not work !!!


https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/14/german-exports-to-uk-drop-again-in-first-seven-months-of-2019/

 

The big thing is that NO leavers seems able to actually say in any rational and reasonable way why any Brexit with deal or not will be good for the UK’s economy.

 

The thing is that when leavers put up specific arguments to support their general viewpoint they repeated don’t stand up to scrutiny

One would thing that after this happened two or three times that any rational person would begin to question if the general viewpoint was any good.

But not so with many leavers it seems - they just begin to recycling arguments that have already been covered and already shown to be unsound or they stop saying anything of any worth all and fall back on stupid asides.

 

Vote of no confidence with his own government

October 19th plus 14 days = 2nd November

2 days after a hard brexit and his government gets restored if no one else can form a new government

 

Do you not realise that that too has to be voted for in parliament and given that Boris is currently in a minority there isn't a ghost in hell's chance that such proposition would be voted for.

 

Balony and balderdash.
After Brexit Britain will be able to negotiate and trade with the whole world. Britain will have a LOT MORE respect after it leaves.

Brexit is not about the economy. That is a remainers discussion to change the discussion. Brexit is about leaving the EU and its cancerous style of governing.

The original EU was a trade area and free passage of citizens. That was wonderful but It has morphed like a cancer growing stronger, spreading and taking more control. If it is left it will control more and more and more rules and regulations will control everything that you do. Just take a look at the uncontrolled immigration. The UK cannot pick and chose which immigrants it accepts. Look at the problems with France (Paris and Niece) and Germany.

I still believe the EU is coaxing and controlling the remainers.

Is THAT retional enough for you?


Get out of the EU NOW before it is too late. .

As I have previously mentioned short term pain for long term gain.

 

I didnt say the vote had to succeed

Because then you would have the ridiculous situation of the Labour MPs voting against a no confidence motion in the Tory government, maybe in a united way, maybe not

Then everyone trying to agree on a caretaker PM, if that gets stalled, then the request for extension isnt legit anyway. Also just that more likely to get a veto if the EU doesnt take that caretaker PM seriously.

Just trying to find the loophole, smells like he does have one up his sleeve. Doesnt make sense to leave all the details of this last deal to the last minute....unless the want a no deal all along

 

[QUOTE="Vanilla Gorilla, post: 8568103, member: 83378"]I didnt say the vote had to succeed

Because then you would have the ridiculous situation of the Labour MPs voting against a no confidence motion in the Tory government, maybe in a united way, maybe not

Then everyone trying to agree on a caretaker PM, if that gets stalled, then the request for extension isnt legit anyway. Also just that more likely to get a veto if the EU doesnt take that caretaker PM seriously.

Just trying to find the loophole, smells like he does have one up his sleeve. Doesnt make sense to leave all the details of this last deal to the last minute....unless the want a no deal all along[/QUOTE]


Idjit !!! - if it doesn't succeed, then its not going to happen, is it ???

 

May

The big thing is that NO leavers seems able to actually say in any rational and reasonable way why any Brexit with deal or not will be good for the UK’s economy.

Yet you put up no rational counter arguments -I mean lest go through this -

But the UK can already trade with the whole world so I’d ask why are we not doing these deals already from within the EU? Germany already exports more to China and India than we do.

What are we going to suddenly manufacture, create and sell when we are not part of the EU that we are not doing now when in it?

On the other hand if we just allow other countries free trade deals for their goods most of our manufacturing and agricultural base will be destroyed.

And have you actually looked at what trading under WTO rules would mean to the UK because in no way is it better than what we have now, if you think differently please explain why?

LOL the view from outside Britain falls mainly into two camps - that we have collectively gone insane or we are being laughed at.

The only people that seem to be cheering Brexit seem to be from the far right as I’ve said when you have on your side the racists and the neo-Nazis you have to wonder if you are on the right side, don’t you?

BUT after been repeatedly asked you seem completely unable to explain in any rational way why you think the EU is ‘cancerous‘ NOTHING, REIN, NICHTS

To repeat - The whole idea of the European project was for ‘ever closer union’ “It is found in the Preamble to the 1957 treaty that set up what became the EU [and] on at least six occasions the UK has signed up to it (firstly in becoming a member, and then agreeing to subsequent treaty changes)”

And look at what you say - free passage of citizens – the free movement of EU citizens to travel unrestricted within the EU to which you say That was wonderful

But in the next breath you say you are against that – which is it?

What problems with France and Germany? What is it about Paris and Nice?

What couldn’t we control about immigration, you do know we have an opt out of the Schengen Agreement.

Well NO actually – what did you think was the rational argument, which part?

I mean nothing in this reply seems rational you even through in a silly conspiracy theory which doesn’t help you case – everything you say seems to be emotionally based, skewed by hatred of the ‘cancerous’ EU , but it seems lacking in knowledge or depth.

And you don’t even seem to be clear on what you hate so much, what do you actually hate, why do you hate it and what is the hate based on?

 

May

That is a slogan not a rational argument.

Do you remember when the people urging the UK to leave said there would be no down side to Brexit – that it would be easy and people wouldn’t even notice until things started to become much better in those fabled ‘sunny uplands’.

This seems a long way from leavers now admitting there will be pain, a pain they are forcing on others for a supposed gain that they can neither explain or articulate

I mean other than hope what are leavers basing their views on when everything points to any form of Brexit causing not just short but medium and especially long term damage to the UK

 

Evidence of a Brexit recession ???

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/...rs-sharpest-dip-in-four-years-as-wage-growth/

 

Possibly and possibly not.

The limbo situation we have now been in for some time, I think could also be a factor. I also recall hearing car sales figures also being disappointing . This is also used as a measure.

Proof of the pudding will be when we actually leave .

 

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"Spain’s caretaker prime minister, Pedro Sanchez, said the outcome of the four-month trial proved the 2017 secession attempt had become “a shipwreck”. Mr Sanchez urged people to “set aside extremist positions” and “embark on a new phase” for Catalonia"

 

As I’ve said before looking across the Brexit threads on the forum you can get a feel for the characters of the supporters on each side of the argument and I’m sorry to say that is a sad indictment of those on the leavers side who often come across as Il-informed, hate filled, mean of spirit and petty who are happy to say barefaced lies while often seemingly contemptuous of democratic procedures and institutions.

I ask if you are a decent person and a leaver don’t you look around you and wonder what crowd you have fallen into and why?

 

Maybe learn how the quote tags work first eh