Brexit

I don't think VG will be very fond of you calling him a bird brain !!!

 

To be very clear.
It was you I was calling a bird brain, bird brain.
It was just that your bird brain hadn’t worked that out!

 

Why do they want to leave

I’ve asked this before and one person replied that it’s because they just accept without question the kind of anti-EU propaganda pumped out by people like the Barclay brothers at the Telegraph.

But these people are here and every day they can see that their anti-EU arguments don’t stand up to even the smallest scrutiny – and they know this, they know their ideas are bad because they know they can’t defend them, they know they have nothing to counter the criticism with. They know they only have silly jibs and pathetic attempts at insults, liking each other’s farts like toddlers in a nursery.

Yet they still believe – and I’d like to know why?

Are they so far in to the cult they can’t see a way out, even while knowing in their hearts and heads that the things they believe in are frankly mad?

Is it because they only have hate left or is it fear, fear and loathing for the changes around them, in a world they don’t understand and wish to destroy?

Do they even know themselves have they even given it any thought?

Have they ever actually stopped and asked themselves why?

 

Meh, I kind of get the impression though you wouldnt have any non-white friends

Saying stuff like that, as long as it doesnt end up in your backyard so to speak, doesnt real mean anything. Do as I say, not as I do kind of thing

 

Well I'm happy to prove you wrong yet again !!!

 

Okay, if this one doesn't happen in October I'm going to say Brexit will never happen, you chumps will keep going to go back to the EU untill all the old people who want it die off.

 

More good sound information from The Brexit Party!



Let’s compare it to what we thought we would get when we voted Leave. If it is passed into law, the PM’s Treaty will mean:
Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.

During the Withdrawal Agreement’s extendable ‘transition period’ (which lasts until at least the end of 2020 and almost certainly years longer), we won’t withdraw from the EU at all but become non-voting members. We will still be trapped in the EU customs union and single market, subject to all existing EU laws and any punitive new ones they might pass (Articles 4.1, 4.2, 6, 41, 95.1, 127). And we’ll be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) (Arts 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). The difference is we won’t have any say (Arts 7.1, 34). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
EU judges can still override our laws.

The ECJ – a foreign court – governs the Treaty and EU law takes precedence. Future British parliaments will be bound to obey ECJ rulings, and UK judges will be obliged to overturn laws passed by our Parliament if the ECJ says they don’t comply with the Treaty or the EU laws it enables. (Articles 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). In some cases, the ECJ will rule for years even after the transition ends. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?



We won’t control our fishing.

The dreadful Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during the extendable transition period, but we will have no say in it (Article 130). That means huge foreign trawlers plundering our waters at the expense of our coastal communities. After the transition, the Political Declaration signs us up to sharing ‘access to water and quota shares’ (para 73) – which equals continued EU exploitation of UK fishing grounds. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We still won’t be free to trade as we see fit.

Boris boasts of leaving the EU customs union. Yet the Political Declaration states any future free trade agreement with the EU must ensure ‘a level playing field’ (PD, para 17, 77) and ‘deep regulatory and customs cooperation’ (para 21). This means sticking to EU rules. It will be hard for the UK to reduce tariff barriers to cut the cost of living and make trade deals with other nations. The PD also requires we pursue ‘ambitious customs objectives that are in line with the Parties’ objectives and principles’ (para 22) – another restrictive EU customs union in all but name. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We won’t have control of our tax or state aid policies .

EU law applies to the UK during the transition period (Article 127), and beyond that the Political Declaration obliges the UK to adopt EU rules on state aid rules and ‘relevant tax matters’ (para 77). This all means we can’t change tax rates to be more competitive and can’t assist a strategic industry such as British Steel. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
Britain can’t pursue an independent foreign policy.

The Treaty restricts UK sovereignty by preventing us taking ‘any action likely to conflict with or impede’ EU foreign policy (Article 129.6) – despite having no say in policy making. The UK will be signed up to all EU treaties, including new ones, throughout the transition period, and must ‘refrain… from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial’ to EU interests within international organisations such as the United Nations Security Council and the WTO (Article 129 points 1 and 3). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
Britain can’t pursue an independent defence policy.

The Political Declaration commits us to security integration through the European Defence Agency and the European Defence Fund (para 102(c)). We will fund the EU’s military plans during the transition period at least, and British troops in EU battlegroups will be under foreign command (Articles 128.2, 129.7, 156, 157). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?



The United Kingdom will be divided.

The Treaty creates a de facto customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Britain. Goods moving between NI and Britain will be checked. Citizens living in NI would effectively be staying in the EU, without any say in their laws, for at least four years after the transition and quite possibly forever. In other words, the UK gives up part of its sovereign territory —for what? (Protocol Articles 5 and 6.2). Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
We pay the EU billions and get nothing in return.
The Treaty commits us to pay a sum to be decided by the EU (WA, Part Five). The £39bn payment demanded is likely to be just the start, with billions more to follow. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?

And we’ll be trapped by the Political Declaration.

The problems won't end with the transition period. Don’t be fooled just because the Political Declaration on future relations is not legally binding. Article 184 of the Withdrawal Agreement requires us to use ‘best endeavours, in good faith’ to negotiate a future deal in line with the PD. Any breach of this duty will see the EU haul Britain before an arbitration panel – half EU appointees, half pro-EU judges from the UK. And the panel must defer to the European court on anything concerning EU Law. If they rule that a UK law goes against the Political Declaration, UK courts will have to overturn that law (WD Articles 170-175). The Political Declaration is a trap from which there is no plausible escape. Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?

 

Boris has already trashed the offer Farridge has made, which means that the Brexit party will put up candidates in every constituency. I hope they do, since it will take thousands of votes from the scumbag 'nasty party' putting Jeremy Corbyn firmly in Downing Street !!!

 

Brexit
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1. the empty void in between atomic particles.
   "she had Brexit for breakfast"

 

And your point is ???

 

On the other hand though, I am amused they are relying on millenials to turn up to vote

 

The snowflakes won’t turn out to vote if it is too wet and windy and cold.
Snuggled up by the fire in front of phones and iPads they will be!

 

What is also interesting is that Zuckerberg has recently given up on monitoring and editing political ads on Facebook

It will be the first major election in the world to get full on bullshit ads on FB from both sides.

For over 30s that is. Younger ones dont use FB as much anymore

 

Why the Brexit problem

What we have is two forms of democracy in conflict

1) Representative Democracy – where people vote for someone (usually in a political party) based on the detailed policies that have been put forward to tackle multiple issues.

2) Plebiscite Democracy – voting Yes or No on something with no detail over one issue.

So you have people that would vote for a party base on the first but on the second be in conflict with that party.

We have those that are Conservative voters that are for remain and Labour voters who are for leave

The thing is that Representative Democracy is based on the idea that the representative works in the best interests of the voters, but in Plebiscite Democracy it doesn’t matter about what is best for the voter it is just a matter of implementing what has been asked for.

So do representatives push for what they think is best for the people they represent or to implement what has been asked for by voters even while believing that isn’t in the voter’s best interests?

The conflict between these two forms of democracy have been shaking the UK’s political system apart.

 

To carry on from the above

I don’t think a general election can settle the conflict between the two forms of democracy because you can’t settle a one issue plebiscite question using a system designed for party political, multi issue, constituency based, first past the post politics – if anything it might just make things worse – what is needed now is not that but a second referendum – an informed second referendum with a chose between the Boris deal and remaining.

 

Or a re-negotiated much better deal which Jeremy says is possible

 

As I’ve said before I don’t think there is a better deal from the one we have now – and no one has been actually able to put anything forward that would be better.

 

So we had the Brexit Party and Farage screaming about the Conservative party betrayal over Brexit and that Boris' deal was NOT Brexit and would never be accepted by them

But that was last week - this week it's a fine deal that they can happily accept and get behind

Leavers do you ever feel you are just been played?

 

Yes well Farridge always was a hypocritical, lying bastard - so nothing's changed !!!

 

Well it would be hilarious if I were not so tragic – I also heard that several of the candidate that got pulled knew nothing about it until they heard it on the media and have already spent loads of money getting ready for standing, I mean all fool them but still the contempt for the actual members is incredible.

I’ve heard people saying that it was the Brexit backers (the mysterious sponsors of the party) that told Farage et al to flip flop others that he was offered a peerage by the Tories to convince them to pull out.

What a fuck up this all is…

I think it a fitting end to Brexit – one form of Brexit fighting another form of Brexit with both claiming that their form of Brexit was what ALL 17 million voted for.